Our Success is in our members who value our strength as a valued community.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,015,511
Topics74,951
Members12,947
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs13
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
39 registered members (7 invisible), 1,113 guests, and218 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Not What You Expect?
by diggingdeeper. 18th Apr 2019 6:06pm
Julian Assange.
by snowhite. 17th Apr 2019 1:35pm
Potholes
by snowshoes. 11th Apr 2019 3:17pm
SAGA
by diggingdeeper. 4th Apr 2019 2:55pm
New Wirral History
Wallasey Man 1970s
by Markjon88. 11th Apr 2019 3:00pm
Looking for Joneses
by Markjon88. 11th Apr 2019 8:06am
1915riots
by Johnjcarruthers. 9th Apr 2019 9:47pm
Help to find family members /history
by Jones1407. 7th Apr 2019 10:59pm
WW2 USNavy large sheepskin trousers
by Bultaco. 15th Mar 2019 8:48am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 21st Apr 2019 7:30pm
Wanted Garden shed
by casper. 21st Apr 2019 7:26pm
Wanted Motocross project or non runner
by Bultaco. 21st Apr 2019 11:57am
13 foot trampoline Net ( free )
by Bultaco. 21st Apr 2019 11:42am
Army cadet pants
by Bultaco. 20th Apr 2019 12:29pm
Not What You Expect?
by Excoriator. 19th Apr 2019 6:08pm
Rescued Animals.
by granny. 19th Apr 2019 5:35pm
On This Day in HIstory
by snowhite. 18th Apr 2019 6:19pm
Electric Water Boiler / Tea Urn Wanted
by diggingdeeper. 18th Apr 2019 10:13am
April
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Sun east to west ? #1007100
13th Apr 2016 12:08pm
13th Apr 2016 12:08pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
dizdazdoz Offline OP

Wise One
dizdazdoz  Offline OP

Wise One
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
Hoping someone can explain in basic terms.

In the UK the sun rises in the east and set's in the west, appearing to rotate clockwise.

Will use Australia as example, I presume sun still travels east to west however would it appear to rotate anti-clockwise ?


Google Ads
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007103
13th Apr 2016 1:29pm
13th Apr 2016 1:29pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
Yes, the old problem of saying something turns clockwise or anticlockwise but it depends which direction you are looking down the axis.

Same with a car wheel, all four wheels rotate in the same physical direction but if the car is going forwards, looking at the car from the offside all the wheels are going clockwise, but look from the nearside and they are all going anti-clockwise. I'll let you work out what happens if you look from the middle of the car.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007122
13th Apr 2016 5:43pm
13th Apr 2016 5:43pm
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
dizdazdoz Offline OP

Wise One
dizdazdoz  Offline OP

Wise One
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
Still confused . . . which is not that unusual.

Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007141
13th Apr 2016 7:43pm
13th Apr 2016 7:43pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
Spin a coin/ball on a table, look at which direction it is spinning when you look at it from above, then think about what direction it would be spinning if you looked from below (or if you have a glass table you can actually look).



In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007145
13th Apr 2016 8:58pm
13th Apr 2016 8:58pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,279
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,279
Wirral
Emptying bath water definitely changes from anti-clockwise to clockwise from one side of the equator to the other. Seen it.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: granny] #1007150
13th Apr 2016 10:57pm
13th Apr 2016 10:57pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by granny
Emptying bath water definitely changes from anti-clockwise to clockwise from one side of the equator to the other. Seen it.


I'm afraid that is a bit of a myth. The effect of the rotation of the earth exists but the bath water stillness and plughole would have to be near perfect for this to be the overriding factor. The movement of the water before pulling the plug, intentional design or minor imperfections are the dominant factors that govern the direction.

If you pre-spin the water slightly then pull the plug you can see it happen for yourself.

If the water is already spinning, you can convince it to spin the other way and it will remain in that direction usually.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007151
13th Apr 2016 11:19pm
13th Apr 2016 11:19pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,279
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,279
Wirral
Sorry, DD . Have to disagree. I have had a bath in the northern hemisphere and the southern hemisphere, on the ocean waves. The emptying bath water changed direction when emptying in spiral or swirl, (whatever you want to call it.) from the northern hemisphere to the southern hemisphere.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007152
14th Apr 2016 12:02am
14th Apr 2016 12:02am
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/handson/plugholes.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force#Draining_in_bathtubs_and_toilets

The only scientific experiments that confirmed this effect had to have the water left totally undisturbed for 18 hours prior to the plughole being opened. How minute the force is was demonstrated when it took 12 minutes to start vortexing.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: diggingdeeper] #1007153
14th Apr 2016 12:28am
14th Apr 2016 12:28am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,279
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 16,279
Wirral
Sod the science. Scientists are not always correct. I have confirmed it and so have the following. Just maybe there is too much electrical interference on land to mess things up a bit. High rise apartments and koala bears.


Andrew Dickens is wrong. The water does vortex in different directions north and south of the equator - dodgy wash basin manufacurers my eye! I've observed the phenomenon in my own hotel room, as I'm sure have millions of others.

Luka Clarke, Lisbon Portugal

The Coriolis effect does indeed influence the direction that water 'vortices' down a plughole - I have tried this several times during my time as a merchant seaman, at various latitudes North and South of the equator. The effect is stronger closer to the poles, at the equator the water can rotate in either direction, and on one occasion near the equator, appeared to go straight down the plughole without any rotation !!

Ray Crabtree, Loddon UK

As to your second question, I believe Mercury does not spin on its axis but maintains its position as it orbits the sun, leading to a permanent day side and a permanent night side as does our moon. And to add to the other debate, I have seen the water rotate one way in a bath in Melbourne and the other way in my bath at home, both baths were pretty similar in structure!

Rich Pollard, Leeds UK

Sorry but The guy at the equator that showed me A. didn't charge me B. used one plastic bucket with a hole in the bottom (none of this three sink nonsense) C. allowed me to try and force the water to rotate in different directions, each time it returned to the direction it started in depending on which side of the equator we were.

Chris Smith, Edinburgh Scotland

I have walked across the equator 7 times now!!! The reason the water spins different ways on different sides is related to the moon and the earth, the sun and the other planets!!! - and the way the earth is tilted!!!!

suzy barker,


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007156
14th Apr 2016 7:07am
14th Apr 2016 7:07am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
dizdazdoz Offline OP

Wise One
dizdazdoz  Offline OP

Wise One
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
Still non the wiser haha

Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007171
14th Apr 2016 9:23am
14th Apr 2016 9:23am
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,692
wallasey
Dilly Online evil_mood

Wiki Veteran
Dilly  Online Evil_Mood

Wiki Veteran
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,692
wallasey
Originally Posted by dizdazdoz
Still non the wiser haha

You're non the wiser? My last 2 brain cells have just exploded smile

Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: Dilly] #1007181
14th Apr 2016 10:27am
14th Apr 2016 10:27am
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,586
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,586
Wirral
Originally Posted by Dilly
Originally Posted by dizdazdoz
Still non the wiser haha

You're non the wiser? My last 2 brain cells have just exploded smile


So you're still totally foxed then Dilly? grin

Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: Dilly] #1007182
14th Apr 2016 11:35am
14th Apr 2016 11:35am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
dizdazdoz Offline OP

Wise One
dizdazdoz  Offline OP

Wise One
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 872
Here
Originally Posted by Dilly
Originally Posted by dizdazdoz
Still non the wiser haha

You're non the wiser? My last 2 brain cells have just exploded smile


Yes me too, mine are bouncing around. I just want to get a simple answer a yes or no.

Does the sun appear to travel anti clockwise downunder.

Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007183
14th Apr 2016 11:44am
14th Apr 2016 11:44am
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,129
Middle Earth
L
ludwigvan Offline
Forum Addict
ludwigvan  Offline
Forum Addict
L
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,129
Middle Earth
Definitely not............ Probably.

Re: Sun east to west ? [Re: dizdazdoz] #1007184
14th Apr 2016 11:45am
14th Apr 2016 11:45am
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 705
Wallasey
Norton Online Reading

Veteran
Norton  Online Reading

Veteran
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 705
Wallasey
No.

However, there are some people in Australia who think that their continent should be at the top of maps and the globe, and the UK and Europe at the bottom. If their idea is to put them next to the North Pole, then the sun would rise in the West, and therefore time would go backwards.

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Army cadet pants
by Bultaco. 20th Apr 2019 12:29pm
Not What You Expect?
by diggingdeeper. 18th Apr 2019 6:06pm
cctv
by uptonbaz. 14th Apr 2019 2:40pm
Get your cat neutered.
by venice. 14th Apr 2019 10:50am
Wallasey Man 1970s
by Markjon88. 11th Apr 2019 3:00pm
For Sale & Free
Wanted Garden shed
by johncon. 21st Apr 2019 6:08pm
Wanted Motocross project or non runner
by Bultaco. 21st Apr 2019 11:57am
13 foot trampoline Net ( free )
by Bultaco. 21st Apr 2019 11:42am
Electric Water Boiler / Tea Urn Wanted
by Reno37. 17th Apr 2019 9:56pm
Samsung tv
by Mike_Hoylake. 17th Apr 2019 2:41pm
Member Spotlight
diggingdeeper
diggingdeeper
Birkenhead
Posts: 12,470
Joined: July 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Swoggle, RJackson1886, Shellster, LonelyDartsClub, kevnaff
12947 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Army cadet pants
by Bultaco. 20th Apr 2019 12:29pm
Bouncey thing
by Bultaco. 24th Mar 2019 11:42am
New Council Tax bill 2019
by keef666. 18th Mar 2019 11:13am
Builder problems, advice needed
by TudorBlue. 12th May 2017 7:24pm
New Brighton Hotel name and information?
by PaddyHaig. 14th Apr 2013 4:07pm
News : New Topics
Egg run
by lincle. 7th Apr 2019 10:27am
Office Supplies.
by Excoriator. 4th Apr 2019 3:39pm
New Brighton has a dream ?
by GaryFromWirral. 3rd Apr 2019 2:53pm
Another "Austerity" Measure
by diggingdeeper. 24th Mar 2019 6:18pm
Giant rabbit startles motorist.
by Excoriator. 17th Mar 2019 9:58am
New Enthusiast Forums
Get your cat neutered.
by venice. 14th Apr 2019 10:50am
If this IS a scam, it stinks.FB post
by venice. 5th Apr 2019 10:27am
Exploring with fighters ... on the ferry
by GaryFromWirral. 26th Mar 2019 12:05am
New Brighton Tunnels ??
by GaryFromWirral. 26th Mar 2019 12:02am
Ladybird Books on Brexit
by granny. 24th Mar 2019 11:22pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sun 5:57am
Sunset Sun 8:23pm
Local Time Sun 9:48pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1