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#1006177 - 4th Apr 2016 4:37pm Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids.
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A dangerous and stupid move by Wirral Borough Council- this will only encourage children to swim in ponds, pits, possibly even the docks and in the sea around our Wirral coast line where they will encounter all sorts of danger. This will be worse especially in ponds, pits and docks where they will be unsupervised, at least there is some cover on the beach by the Lifeguards. I thought I had seen some stupid and dangerous policy's by this Council but this one stands out as imbecilic. How long before some poor child drowns. I certainly hope nobody does, but should an accident occur its down to the idiots of WBC.


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#1006178 - 4th Apr 2016 4:50pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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Santos, you may not believe this, but just a few years ago, when the children paid for their swims, there were always queues to get in.
Once they were given free swimming, they didn't bother going much and numbers decreased dramatically.
Child or parental psychology at play, but not necessarily understood.
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#1006179 - 4th Apr 2016 5:52pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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Statistically if you look at council and fire and rescue records the greatest number of deaths on the wirral where attributed to drowning . Thats why the greater merseyside boroughs contribute to our search and rescue even though st Helens has no coast line.


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#1006191 - 4th Apr 2016 6:57pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
Santos, you may not believe this, but just a few years ago, when the children paid for their swims, there were always queues to get in.
Once they were given free swimming, they didn't bother going much and numbers decreased dramatically.
Child or parental psychology at play, but not necessarily understood.


The last time I swam at the Oval, were were permitted a 20 minute session, literally wasn't worth getting your feet wet.

Kids were much more interested in activities before home entertainment (DVD/Satellite/games etc) came out, I don't think it has much to do with the free swimming.

How many kids enjoy getting dragged off their game console to have a run in the woods these days?

We used to skit at couch potatoes, these days we are actively training kids to be couch potatoes.
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#1006202 - 4th Apr 2016 8:17pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Free swimming was a Government initiative with a financial reward for Councils taking up the idea. Wirral got £180,000 initially so it actually cost the authority nothing to start up.

There were always massive queues at Europa Pools. The admissions were broken into sessions to alleviate overcrowding.

The Police released figures that showed from the introduction of free swimming in 2008 instances of anti-social behaviour on Wirral reduced dramatically. This trend continued year on year.

Nationally, attendances fell after free swimming was introduced leading some authorities to abandon it early on. Wirral’s figures were stable with seasonal variations, but continued to increase gradually every year.
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#1006322 - 5th Apr 2016 5:54pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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I may divide opinion here but i kind of agree. I posted something last week about how the council are taking fitness passes off retired employees and in that it said that discounts for pensioners and kids is to be stopped too. I don't see how they can justify subsidising kids swimming then hike up council tax, i'd rather they charged for kids and pensioners to swim etc and keep my tax from going up... i pay for an invigor8 membership and its great value for money so if people use the facilities often then one of them is great to get.

Besides, kids would much prefer something like football or tennis or mini golf than swimming.

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#1006325 - 5th Apr 2016 6:23pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: j_demo]
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Well they cancelled the concessions and put the council tax up so how's that? I think the jury’s out on the question of how taking away a free pensioner swim ‘saves’ money. It doesn’t save anything.
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#1006326 - 5th Apr 2016 6:26pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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So far as I can see, free swims for children will not even need subsidising. If they do have to pay, it's extra income for the council.

The pools are full of water and heated, the staff are on duty, the buildings are heated, the toilets and showers are working, meaning there is nothing additional that would be needed if the children still had free swims.

The council will not be loosing anything financially, they simply won't be gaining additional revenue that they will get if they start to charge again.

It would be interesting to know how the £180,000 was used. That's a lot of kiddies swims !


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#1006327 - 5th Apr 2016 6:45pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
So far as I can see, free swims for children will not even need subsidising......

.....The council will not be loosing anything financially


They will be losing money in numerous ways.
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#1006328 - 5th Apr 2016 6:52pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: diggingdeeper]
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How ?
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#1006329 - 5th Apr 2016 7:00pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
How ?

the council are paying for the staff wages, energy bills, building maintenance etc without getting any income from the children swimming. Basic maths and business, charge people to use your facilities and you won't lose money. Really really simple.

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#1006330 - 5th Apr 2016 7:03pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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A long time ago I know but when I was a child you or your parents had to pay for you to go to the baths. I was born 1940 by the way.
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#1006331 - 5th Apr 2016 7:32pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: j_demo]
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Originally Posted By: granny
How ?

the council are paying for the staff wages, energy bills, building maintenance etc without getting any income from the children swimming. Basic maths and business, charge people to use your facilities and you won't lose money. Really really simple.


Basic maths and business doesn't really come into it.

If you think the pools are better open but empty for half of the days then good for you. The council won't make anything or save anything.
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#1006342 - 5th Apr 2016 8:14pm Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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It came in on 1st April. School holidays £2.40 per junior swim. If two children in one family would like to swim each week day total of approx. £35 per week. That is a lot of money for many parents and probably not even possible to find.

They be better charging a token amount of £1 per head.
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#1006507 - 7th Apr 2016 12:52am Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos]
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Having had more thoughts about this.

As the free swims have been in place for so long, it wouldn't surprise if there was a hidden agenda.

Council have been threatening to close (or sell off) certain leisure centres for long enough. If they get the income up ,it would be more viable to any prospective purchaser.

Just hope it's not the centre you use j-demo. smile
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