WikiWirral 15yrs online 24/7 365 days a year.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,011,732
Topics74,722
Members12,821
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs41
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
72 registered members (alan128, 11 invisible), 1,082 guests, and289 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
£5 Note with AK47 serial number
by GaryFromWirral. 16th Dec 2018 2:28am
Egyptian Tomb
by granny. 16th Dec 2018 12:20am
snowmen?
by locomotive. 14th Dec 2018 7:22pm
Looking for Gamers and New Members
by WargamerNik. 11th Dec 2018 10:21am
New Wirral History
Medieval Wirral.
by granny. 12th Dec 2018 11:02am
Carr House, Moreton
by granny. 11th Dec 2018 10:42pm
Bromborough - Marfords Estate
by billy_anorak59. 10th Dec 2018 12:35pm
762 Whitt's End Wine & Cocktail Bar 43 Market Stre
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 11:15pm
758 Withens Lane Sports & Social Club
by derekdwc. 29th Nov 2018 11:11pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
Can Anyone Recommend A Mobile Mechanic
by rhoobarb2002. 17th Dec 2018 12:27pm
Rudolph has been spotted !
by casper. 17th Dec 2018 12:09pm
Panasonic HC VX870 4K camcorder
by gerrymoore. 17th Dec 2018 9:36am
Coventry
by granny. 17th Dec 2018 12:29am
Carr House, Moreton
by locomotive. 16th Dec 2018 8:49pm
Chester Zoo Fire
by lincle. 16th Dec 2018 7:04pm
Watch battery tool
by Salmon. 16th Dec 2018 4:32pm
Black Leather massage recliner chair
by alicia1. 16th Dec 2018 1:46pm
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 16th Dec 2018 12:44pm
December
M T W T F S S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Coventry
by granny. 17th Dec 2018 12:29am
Christmas
by fish5133. 15th Dec 2018 3:40pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. #1006177
4th Apr 2016 3:37pm
4th Apr 2016 3:37pm
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 329
Wirral
S
Santos Offline OP
Old Hand
Santos  Offline OP
Old Hand
S
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 329
Wirral
A dangerous and stupid move by Wirral Borough Council- this will only encourage children to swim in ponds, pits, possibly even the docks and in the sea around our Wirral coast line where they will encounter all sorts of danger. This will be worse especially in ponds, pits and docks where they will be unsupervised, at least there is some cover on the beach by the Lifeguards. I thought I had seen some stupid and dangerous policy's by this Council but this one stands out as imbecilic. How long before some poor child drowns. I certainly hope nobody does, but should an accident occur its down to the idiots of WBC.

Last edited by Santos; 4th Apr 2016 3:38pm.
Google Ads
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006178
4th Apr 2016 3:50pm
4th Apr 2016 3:50pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
Santos, you may not believe this, but just a few years ago, when the children paid for their swims, there were always queues to get in.
Once they were given free swimming, they didn't bother going much and numbers decreased dramatically.
Child or parental psychology at play, but not necessarily understood.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006179
4th Apr 2016 4:52pm
4th Apr 2016 4:52pm
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 503
south wirral
P
pacef8 Offline
Smartchild
pacef8  Offline
Smartchild
P
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 503
south wirral
Statistically if you look at council and fire and rescue records the greatest number of deaths on the wirral where attributed to drowning . Thats why the greater merseyside boroughs contribute to our search and rescue even though st Helens has no coast line.

Last edited by pacef8; 4th Apr 2016 4:53pm.
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: granny] #1006191
4th Apr 2016 5:57pm
4th Apr 2016 5:57pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,173
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,173
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by granny
Santos, you may not believe this, but just a few years ago, when the children paid for their swims, there were always queues to get in.
Once they were given free swimming, they didn't bother going much and numbers decreased dramatically.
Child or parental psychology at play, but not necessarily understood.


The last time I swam at the Oval, were were permitted a 20 minute session, literally wasn't worth getting your feet wet.

Kids were much more interested in activities before home entertainment (DVD/Satellite/games etc) came out, I don't think it has much to do with the free swimming.

How many kids enjoy getting dragged off their game console to have a run in the woods these days?

We used to skit at couch potatoes, these days we are actively training kids to be couch potatoes.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: diggingdeeper] #1006202
4th Apr 2016 7:17pm
4th Apr 2016 7:17pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,509
Wallasey
Capt_America Online content
Forum Addict
Capt_America  Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,509
Wallasey
Free swimming was a Government initiative with a financial reward for Councils taking up the idea. Wirral got 180,000 initially so it actually cost the authority nothing to start up.

There were always massive queues at Europa Pools. The admissions were broken into sessions to alleviate overcrowding.

The Police released figures that showed from the introduction of free swimming in 2008 instances of anti-social behaviour on Wirral reduced dramatically. This trend continued year on year.

Nationally, attendances fell after free swimming was introduced leading some authorities to abandon it early on. Wirrals figures were stable with seasonal variations, but continued to increase gradually every year.


See you in cyberspace!
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006322
5th Apr 2016 4:54pm
5th Apr 2016 4:54pm
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,906
Wallasey/New Brighton
J
j_demo Offline
Forum Addict
j_demo  Offline
Forum Addict
J
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,906
Wallasey/New Brighton
I may divide opinion here but i kind of agree. I posted something last week about how the council are taking fitness passes off retired employees and in that it said that discounts for pensioners and kids is to be stopped too. I don't see how they can justify subsidising kids swimming then hike up council tax, i'd rather they charged for kids and pensioners to swim etc and keep my tax from going up... i pay for an invigor8 membership and its great value for money so if people use the facilities often then one of them is great to get.

Besides, kids would much prefer something like football or tennis or mini golf than swimming.

Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: j_demo] #1006325
5th Apr 2016 5:23pm
5th Apr 2016 5:23pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,509
Wallasey
Capt_America Online content
Forum Addict
Capt_America  Online Content
Forum Addict
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,509
Wallasey
Well they cancelled the concessions and put the council tax up so how's that? I think the jurys out on the question of how taking away a free pensioner swim saves money. It doesnt save anything.


See you in cyberspace!
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006326
5th Apr 2016 5:26pm
5th Apr 2016 5:26pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
So far as I can see, free swims for children will not even need subsidising. If they do have to pay, it's extra income for the council.

The pools are full of water and heated, the staff are on duty, the buildings are heated, the toilets and showers are working, meaning there is nothing additional that would be needed if the children still had free swims.

The council will not be loosing anything financially, they simply won't be gaining additional revenue that they will get if they start to charge again.

It would be interesting to know how the 180,000 was used. That's a lot of kiddies swims !

Last edited by granny; 5th Apr 2016 5:29pm.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: granny] #1006327
5th Apr 2016 5:45pm
5th Apr 2016 5:45pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,173
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,173
Birkenhead
Originally Posted by granny
So far as I can see, free swims for children will not even need subsidising......

.....The council will not be loosing anything financially


They will be losing money in numerous ways.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: diggingdeeper] #1006328
5th Apr 2016 5:52pm
5th Apr 2016 5:52pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
How ?


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: granny] #1006329
5th Apr 2016 6:00pm
5th Apr 2016 6:00pm
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,906
Wallasey/New Brighton
J
j_demo Offline
Forum Addict
j_demo  Offline
Forum Addict
J
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,906
Wallasey/New Brighton
Originally Posted by granny
How ?

the council are paying for the staff wages, energy bills, building maintenance etc without getting any income from the children swimming. Basic maths and business, charge people to use your facilities and you won't lose money. Really really simple.

Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006330
5th Apr 2016 6:03pm
5th Apr 2016 6:03pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,596
Birkenhead
J
jimbob Offline

Forum Addict
jimbob  Offline

Forum Addict
J
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,596
Birkenhead
A long time ago I know but when I was a child you or your parents had to pay for you to go to the baths. I was born 1940 by the way.


Ships that pass in the night, seldom seen and soon forgoten
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: j_demo] #1006331
5th Apr 2016 6:32pm
5th Apr 2016 6:32pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
Originally Posted by j_demo
Originally Posted by granny
How ?

the council are paying for the staff wages, energy bills, building maintenance etc without getting any income from the children swimming. Basic maths and business, charge people to use your facilities and you won't lose money. Really really simple.


Basic maths and business doesn't really come into it.

If you think the pools are better open but empty for half of the days then good for you. The council won't make anything or save anything.



Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006342
5th Apr 2016 7:14pm
5th Apr 2016 7:14pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
It came in on 1st April. School holidays 2.40 per junior swim. If two children in one family would like to swim each week day total of approx. 35 per week. That is a lot of money for many parents and probably not even possible to find.

They be better charging a token amount of 1 per head.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: Free swimming stopped in school holiday for kids. [Re: Santos] #1006507
6th Apr 2016 11:52pm
6th Apr 2016 11:52pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 15,884
Wirral
Having had more thoughts about this.

As the free swims have been in place for so long, it wouldn't surprise if there was a hidden agenda.

Council have been threatening to close (or sell off) certain leisure centres for long enough. If they get the income up ,it would be more viable to any prospective purchaser.

Just hope it's not the centre you use j-demo. smile


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Can Anyone Recommend A Mobile Mechanic
by rhoobarb2002. 17th Dec 2018 11:19am
Rudolph has been spotted !
by granny. 16th Dec 2018 10:07am
Watch battery tool
by madrob. 15th Dec 2018 4:24pm
Chester Zoo Fire
by lincle. 15th Dec 2018 1:06pm
Coventry
by fish5133. 13th Dec 2018 10:22pm
For Sale & Free
Panasonic HC VX870 4K camcorder
by gerrymoore. 11th Dec 2018 8:36am
Sea fishing shelter
by paul110180. 9th Dec 2018 10:13am
Pool table etc 25x 55" approx
by Snodvan. 7th Dec 2018 7:13pm
Hotpoint slimline dishwasher free
by silvertigra. 6th Dec 2018 12:33pm
Black Leather massage recliner chair
by alicia1. 4th Dec 2018 1:40pm
Member Spotlight
diggingdeeper
diggingdeeper
Birkenhead
Posts: 12,173
Joined: July 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
podgie, Dee48, nigeL45, Paowie1, LairdArrowe
12821 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
assassin (45)
New Wirral Info
Watch battery tool
by madrob. 15th Dec 2018 4:24pm
Coventry
by fish5133. 13th Dec 2018 10:22pm
Christmas
by granny. 4th Dec 2018 3:24pm
Bollards
by fish5133. 2nd Dec 2018 11:10pm
Contacting an old school friend?
by gerrymoore. 1st Dec 2018 11:29am
News : New Topics
Rudolph has been spotted !
by granny. 16th Dec 2018 10:07am
Chester Zoo Fire
by lincle. 15th Dec 2018 1:06pm
Mobile phone probs
by cools. 6th Dec 2018 5:58pm
Border, no Border. Deal, no Deal
by granny. 5th Dec 2018 11:57am
Submarine Assoc Diary lost
by BandyCoot. 3rd Dec 2018 4:35pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Can Anyone Recommend A Mobile Mechanic
by rhoobarb2002. 17th Dec 2018 11:19am
Phones
by venice. 9th Dec 2018 11:39pm
Lost Jack Russell
by venice. 7th Dec 2018 3:07pm
Budgie Found
by flybynight. 1st Dec 2018 4:33pm
CAT
by lincle. 29th Nov 2018 11:00pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Mon 8:23am
Sunset Mon 3:53pm
Local Time Mon 1:19pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1