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granny #1004610 17th Mar 2016 3:50am
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Ha ha... sorry , not very good are we ? Yes, your link is the same as really but this is the one I intended.
Got a lot of worries right now, don't get cross.

http://news.yahoo.com/latest-austrian-leaders-urges-merkel-limit-migrants-102925762.html


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Never fear, the EU set to scrap the 'tampon tax' yipee


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There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025

We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn

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+ VAT ,DD.

Mr Cameron did say that if he didn't get a good deal for staying in the EU, he would cross over to the Brexit campaign (didn't he ?) All I can see is that he didn't really get a deal worth much anyway, but all that seems to have been overshadowed now.

Still nothing coming forth, as we sit and listen to more arguments and attempts of negotiations from EU, that in my eyes are pushing us all further and further apart.

Headache number one has to be Turkey. They have a long way to go before being fit for joining the EU and officials are using refugees as bargaining tools and are being allowed to do this by the rest of the member states.

For once, I am finding it difficult to use the right words to fully explain my viewpoint, but the whole affair is beginning to show as the result of evil, the use of evil, the conditions of evil and using people as bargaining tools has to be more than evil. Whoever came up with that plan, has not really moved on much further than 1939 .

The longer it goes on the longer it will take, and I can't help but to start seeing it all as a deliberate plan from day one. NOBODY has done anything for so long, buried heads in the sand, that has a ring of mystery now looming.

Neither do I believe Putin has tip toed into the night. What's the betting he's re -grouping ?

If we get deeper involvement with Turkey a corrupt nation with more than enough evil within, we will definitely all be in it together. Mrs Merkyl and friends are simply NOT powerful enough to control such masses, without force. So we are probably heading backwards.

What have we got to gain if we stay in EU, what have we got to gain if we leave ? Maybe we could become self sufficient again, and grow our own apples and grow hops again to make beer, (they were all destroyed in Kent in 1980's, for the benefit of EU trade) It gave masses of work to local people.

To this day, I believe that foot and mouth in this country was a deliberate act of intent in 2001 /2 as 10 new agricultural countries were waiting to join the EU. Two thousand cases and ten million animals slaughtered !! looking back seems completely off the richter scale. I also heard rumours that a massive order of protective clothing had been made by the then 'Defra' in the November before. Don't know if that is true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Double dealing Europe maybe ?

Making an equal share of the farming industry between nations would seem to be an obvious solution . No point in them joining if they can't build on what you have, and trade with others.

That is why the mines closed. It was all pre-arranged. We then imported poor quality Italian coal. It keeps the money going around, but like the miners, job loss, family breakdowns, so it happened to the farmers the same. No body could shout about that the same way, as it was down to environmental issues, or was it ?

No vibes of trust coming across the English Channel any longer. Too massive a challenge now with too many different cultures and I would wonder what would happen if all the Europeans decided to start wading across to the middle east . Maybe it will happen one day. One big 'happy' f' off world !


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I was never in doubt that Cameron was anything but stay-in-Europe, he wants a well paid job out of them when he is no longer PM, the same as Blair did etc.

Cameron's posturing was not even to bluff Europe into giving him a better deal, it was to bluff the UK into thinking that he was trying hard, nobody in Europe took any notice whatsoever.

I would dispute that Turkey's accession into the EU is being supported by EU member states, most don't want them to join - but Germany does, they want maximum population on their side to continue their progress in the creation of the United States of Germany.

Putin has been a lot cleverer than many would believe, he has an election coming up. His foray into Syria has shown his strength (especially against the USA) and his retreat out has shown that he is not prepared to throw unlimited funds away - both are factors that the Russian people appreciate, whether they are smoke and mirrors and he is much more pally with the USA than it is made to appear is of question.

Europe has never been anything other than a battle, Germany to get its power and other countries to try and manipulate finance in their favour.

It is of note that although only two countries in Europe do not issue national id cards, there is no European id card on a voluntary or compulsory basis. There are many reasons for this and none of them are pretty but do demonstrate flaws in the EU concept.


There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025

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granny #1004694 18th Mar 2016 3:58pm
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I have now decided to vote out.

We may be slightly worse off but on balance I feel things will level out, companies will still trade.

We will be able to control our borders.

We will be responsible for our own laws.

We will be able to keep what is left of British culture.

We will still be able to holiday abroad (I never have by the way).

We will still be in the "safest corner of the world" leaving the EU doesn't move us closer to the Middle East.



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The prospect of Turkey joining the EU reinforces my decision to vote for out.


Carpe diem.
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The prospect of Turkey joining the EU reinforces my decision to vote for out.


Seconded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnrFddSJWsk

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