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Rock Ferry to Liverpool Ferries Investigator 30th Nov 2023 7:34pm I'm doing a bit of research into all things history / wirral and I was looking at some of the stunning ferries that were traveling to and from Liverpool in the 1920's. Does anyone happen to have any news articles or information about the travel times from Liverpool to Rock Ferry Pier and vice versa - specifically in the 1920's?

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Sat Nav Renault Kadjar pegsgirl 16th Nov 2023 8:54am Does anyone know how to update Sat nav in a Kadjar. Mine is 4 years old, I've asked dealership who advise I download on line via USB, tried that and I don't understand it, I apparently have to download a "toolbox" via Renault. Then save onto USB and then update incar. Such a long winded process but doesn't appear to do anything.
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Honor Smart Watch Peter0787 19th Oct 2023 10:14am All black with red detailing. Fully working with charging dock and USBC cable. 1 extra strap.

Exactly like the one in the below link

£20 delivered Wirral
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HP Monitors X2 21.5inch Peter0787 19th Oct 2023 10:08am Having a clear out. Have 2 of the above. 1 opened and used briefly during lockdown, 2nd one still sealed in box.

Can send pics via WhatsApp/email as unable to load through my phone.

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Birkenhead Hall and Lordship diggingdeeper 15th Oct 2023 10:22am There is very little mention of Birkenhead Hall and the associated Lordship. Everything appears to skip round it, no names, no dates, no drawings/paintings?

Birkenhead Hall was by the priory on land that is now part of the industrial estate, I suspect remains existed into the 19th century.

The modern Earlship was created in 1922 which appears to use the title of Lord.

The Manor House of Birkenhead was the Priory.
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Birkenhead St Mary's Register 1721 - 1812 diggingdeeper 15th Oct 2023 10:05am Nice document I don't recall reading before which mentions the Birkenhead Boundary corner of Bennett's Hill and the original Bessborough Road. Coincidentally over the last few days I have been looking at why Bessborough Road and Heathfield Road were not one name. Heathfield was built after Bessborough which originally terminated half way up Bennett's Hill.
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projector screen stumpyduck 28th Sep 2023 4:24pm brand new ,boxed portable projector screen ,instructions supplied in the box but not really needed as its easy to set up in minutes, complete with tripod ,60" screen . great for outdoor viewing , garden cinema , movie night , it comes wih a carry bag to hold the parts when not in use , simple to setup , its been opened but never used apart from initial set up , ive now got a motorised screen fixed to the wall so this is available to buy . cash on collection or i will deliver free on the wirral . cheap for quick sale . size is 60" and is 16/9 . brilliant portable screen . £15 , can deliver free on the wirral .
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The Cheshire Sheaf granny 22nd Sep 2023 4:53pm Do we really know how accurate The Cheshire Sheaf is, and does anyone know where the information obtained from ?
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BARCLAYS Card Found. BultacoAstro 22nd Sep 2023 11:54am Hi the Mrs found a card on the way home by the Off license and Pizza shop in New Ferry 20 mins ago.
The Name is a K Williamson and was issued in July 23.
The Card has No signature on it.
I will drop it in Bridewell Station as Not going near Barkclays will be leaving soon as need to get my walking stick mended.
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Birkenhead Urban Village Norton 20th Sep 2023 10:49am I'm sure you must have heard of this plan by now.

The Hind Street Urban Village development will bring in over £300m of public and private investment into Birkenhead with 1600 new homes behind Central station on the old gasworks site.
The development is in partnership with Ion Developments and there will be / is a public consultation.
Who are Ion developments you ask? That's the new name for Neptune Developments who were behind the New Brighton developments.

I asked Bing's AI search engine to search for me - here is what it came back with -

"The exact amount of money that Wirral Council gave to Neptune Developments is not clear from the available sources. However, I can provide some information based on the web search results:

In 2009, the Council agreed to provide a loan of £4.3 million to Neptune Developments to help fund the second phase of the New Brighton development1.
In 2013, the Council entered into a preferred development agreement with Neptune Developments to work on a comprehensive redevelopment proposal for Birkenhead Town Centre2.
In 2010, the Council approved a grant of £1.5 million to Neptune Developments for the Floral Pavilion Theatre and Conference Centre in New Brighton3.
These are some of the examples of the funding that Wirral Council provided to Neptune Developments for their projects in the borough. However, there may be other sources of funding that are not publicly available or disclosed. Therefore, I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question. I hope this information is helpful to you. ?

Article in the Liverpool Echo 8th May 2013 -

"LAST week's decision by a government inspector to reject Neptune Development's plan to redevelop New Brighton's waterfront was a big blow for the company.
It was Neptune's second major setback in recent years, coming almost two years to the day since Liverpool City Council pulled the plug on another major project involving the firm.
Co-owned by Liverpool-born construction entrepreneur Peter Hynd and former Amey executive Richard Douglas, the property group had the rug pulled from under its feet in summer 2004 when the #300m Fourth Grace scheme was scrapped. Neptune had been due to build architect Will Alsop's controversial Cloud design at the Pier Head.
The New Brighton decision was a surprise to many observers as Neptune's proposals had the backing of Wirral Borough Council and statutory heritage body English Heritage, which had been consulted and had written to the inspector in support of the project.
Coping with setbacks is nothing new to Neptune. The Cloud and New Brighton are not the only troubles to have plagued Mr Hynd and his businesses in the past.

Part of the proposals would include removing the two remaining flyovers and seemingly pedestrianise the area outside Central Station and other roads leading to the tunnel. Artists impressions show pedestrians and cyclists walking down what I presume is Green Lane. With the low bridge, you can't get a bus down there or if it's Waterloo Place then turning left is 'no pedestrians' area so they must be going to the Rock Retail Park, Green Lane filling staton or Cammel Lairds. How you get from Borough Road to the Tunnel by any vehicle, including bus, remains unexplained

Quote from Liverpool World "Standing outside Birkenhead Central station, Steve Parry, the managing director of Ion Developments, said: “If you look at this and where we are standing now, it cuts off the station from the town centre. The main reason (for getting rid of the flyovers) is connecting this area to the town centre. It will mirror what it was originally."

Originally we had congestion, lots of it. Obviously todays planners were not around in the 60's, otherwise they would have been aware of the congestion that the town suffered due to the merging of the local traffic and the Tunnel traffic. The booklet that was produced by Birkenhead Corporation at the time explains all this, and it can be found on this WikiWirral site. As intended, the flyovers overcame most of those problems and while traffic patterns have changed since then with the building of the Wallasey Tunnel and M53 all manor of other reasons, that still leaves a large ammount of traffic in town wanting to cross the river. Air and noise polution didn't seem to get mentioned at the time, but a flyover seems certainly seems to reduce congestion and therefore air polution. Additionally, they also seperate vehicles and more at risk road users.

Now, if there was a repositioning af a major shopping centre or the building of new offices then there would be a greater shift to surface traffic, demanding a greater need for seperation of the two. But that's just what has happened and thus provides a greater requirement to seperate the two. Also, the new tolls on the Runcorn-Widnes bridges will alter the traffic flow. The trade-off for Liverpool bound commuters between miles and tolls getting to work used to be which side of Bromborough you were travelling from. This will now move closer to Birkenhead, increasing Tunnel traffic.

Remember the Conway Street flyover? OK, it wasn't that pretty and traffic flow from the west of town did reduce with the opening of the Wallasey tunnel in 1971, but the reason given for its demolition was that it segregated the communities on the north and south sides of the road. To me, that seems a strange thing to say, given that the terraced houses in the streets between Conway Street and Cleveland Street had already been cleared. Those communities have gone and it will stay that way while the land lies bare. That land of course, only ever had houses on it.

The same can't be said about the previous life of the land from Central Station, the gas works, down Hind Street and Waterloo Place. What lies beneath is a worry. Apart from hazardous substances in the soil, this is the old riverbed of the Rubicon that ran down Happy Valley, now better known as Borough Road. The area of the old gasworks was once a lagoon leading to Tranmere Pool, the muddy inlet from the banks of the River Mersey. Next ti it, Lairds bought their land there very cheaply as nobody wanted to live or build on it. Current thinking is that very deep piles may be needed in places to give good foundations to build on. Also, there have been tales of a Roman era bridge crossing the water here. If so, that's going to need a archiologcal dig which takes time and money.

So far, I've not read about affordable or sustainable housing. Out of choice I don't know who would want eigh trains an hour passing their house, or the noise of a shipyard and light industry in their backyard, never mind the passing of traffic from two major roads, if they still exsist. Remember the Priory Wharf development of luxury flats with a great view over the river, but hard to sell and the second block never got built, so the land stands empty with potential nasties in the subsoil, if I remember correctly.

Where will future light industry build and what will happen to the former housing land between Conway and Cleveland Streets?

Time and money is one thing this Council don't have as it is going bankrupt and could be in special measures, just like Birmingham has this week.

The public consultation closed to new contributions on Tuesday 13 June and is now under review. I missed that somehow, probably looking into the 20mph roads instead.

Despite saying " We asked, You said, We did", the Councils have no legal obligation to act on our comments, just listen to them.

Be careful of what you wish for.

The attached 'News' article from 1972 refers to the congestion on Borough Road mid-morning, prior to the dual carriage being built. Two lanes in each direction until you make one a bus lane!
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