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#957155 - 4th Aug 2015 4:48pm Golly,gosh, the bin?
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So what's the position for old handmade toy golly dolls now ? Is it strictly a bin only job or the charity fabric weight sacks?

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#957157 - 4th Aug 2015 4:57pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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well all white dolls should be banded as well,next year you wont be able to have own anything a certain color eu madness,i do what i want and abide to my laws


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#957187 - 4th Aug 2015 6:49pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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We can still buy Golly Dollies, so sit him in a chair and keep him for posterity . Just don't sit him in your window. smile
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#957202 - 4th Aug 2015 8:00pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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I have never understood why Golly dolls are offensive.

I don't think I owned one as a child- were they something to do with marmalade?
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#957218 - 4th Aug 2015 9:23pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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Im told they are a symbol of enslavement of Africans. Ive got old
Noddy books with the golly in the stories, and the golly didnt play second fiddle to the other toys, he was absolutely an equal amongst them . All this association stuff seems to be quite recent.
Yes Rude, the golly was the trademark of Robertsons jams ,and a much loved metal badge.

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#957220 - 4th Aug 2015 9:35pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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you can still buy Golly toy dolls on ebay and collect them at Argos

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#957221 - 4th Aug 2015 9:40pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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And when Noddy and Big Ears got into a bed together did we ever think anything of it, morecambe and wise used to do that also, Bert and Ernie off Sesamee St. We didn't give it a second thought and why would we, then political correctness reared its ugly head.....

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#957224 - 4th Aug 2015 9:50pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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So far as I am aware, there is no legislation against a golly dolly. The main point of disrespect came from their original name 'golliwog'. The 'wog' being the problem. Having said that it was explained to me once that it was abbreviation for Western Oriental Gentleman, so not quite so disrespectful, if that is true.



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#957228 - 4th Aug 2015 10:28pm Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: granny]
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#957237 - 5th Aug 2015 12:56am Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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We should start calling people "Camerons" as an insult and hope that it becomes a banned name as well.

I was brought up with golliwogs as a rag doll, jam, chewy and character in books - nobody I knew accepted it as anything other than it was, yes it could be used as an insult but so can any character or word if its used that way.

The most perverse thing is golliwogs became virtually a banned item, but at the same time manufacturers of dolls where getting criticised for only having white dolls.

I notice the Scouts still have woggles though I'm sure that was contentious at one time.

I find it a load of hornswoggle!
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#957246 - 5th Aug 2015 8:45am Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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The golliwog, golliwogg or golly was a black character in children's books in the late 19th century usually depicted as a type of rag doll. It was reproduced, both by commercial and hobby toy-makers as a children's toy called the "golliwog", and had great popularity in Europe and Australia into the 1970s. The doll is characterised by black skin, eyes rimmed in white, clown lips and frizzy hair. Though home-made golliwogs were sometimes female, the golliwog was generally male. For this reason, in the period following World War II, the golliwog was seen, along with the teddy bear, as a suitable soft toy for a young boy.

The image of the doll has become the subject of heated debate. While some see the golliwog as a cherished cultural artifact and childhood tradition, others argue that the golliwog is a destructive instance of racism against people of African descent, along with pickaninnies, minstrels, mammy figures, and other caricatures, and it has been described as "the least known of the major anti-Black caricatures in the United States".[1] In recent years, changing political attitudes with regard to race have reduced the popularity and sales of golliwogs as toys. Manufacturers who have used golliwogs as a motif have either withdrawn them as an icon, or changed the name. In particular, the association of the golliwog with the pejorative term "wog" has resulted in use of alternative names such as "golly" and "golly doll".

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#957254 - 5th Aug 2015 9:01am Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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My late Father made me a Golly doll when he was in the army fighting for his country during the 2nd World war.He lived through 2 World wars & there isn't a snowballs chance that I would destroy something I've cherished for more than 67 years

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#957265 - 5th Aug 2015 9:27am Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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Back in my quondam days when dinosaurs roamed the earth, we used to collect the paper golliwogs off the jam jars and send them off to be exchanged for enamelled badges of golliwogs playing various musical instruments, some children had their coat lapels covered with them and they wore them with pride. In those days of innocence there was no ulterior motive attached to wearing them, just the joy and expectation of the postman delivering them and then showing them off to your friends. But as usual the barmy PC brigade ruined it by making them seem racist, which they weren't and they aren't .

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#957266 - 5th Aug 2015 9:38am Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: venice]
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Political correctness, another name for looking for something that's not there, the more we highlight something it then becomes an issue, coloured, blackboard, ba ba blacksheep people have used these words or rhymes on a regular basis for years without giving them a second thought, are they offensive do they mean anything other than being descriptive? then we are told that these words are actually racist and mean something else, we are being force fed this political claptrap thus causing disharmony where non exists.

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#957267 - 5th Aug 2015 9:38am Re: Golly,gosh, the bin? [Re: ludwigvan]
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did you get one of these golliwog badges?


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