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Well despite it being quiet, Greece is in a bigger mess than ever. They have a €7.4bn repayment due in July and there is not any chance they can raise that money.

Both the EU(implicitly Germany) and IMF can't see a way that they can provide any more assistance. No EU leaders dare say they have money to give away at the moment.

Life in Greece is bad for the majority, cuts and austerity measures are far greater than anything w have seen in this country.

I feel really really sorry for the Greeks, they can't afford to stay in the EU and they can't afford to leave, basically they have become beggars with no future prospects for at least the next three generations.


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So true, this year is probably the turning point for Greece and for Europe. Marine Le pen is vowing to get rid of the euro, should she be elected, Italy is almost bankrupt as is Spain, and I think Portugal is not far off.
One thing for sure, those who wish to lead other countries by the nose are usually in it for their own benefit.
EU now threatens us with £billions to get out of the EU and we probably know why.....to help bail all the other countries out, that Germany and Brussels have driven into a hole.
Not only that but ( I may have it wrong but I think someone will correct me) the European Central Bank or the MFI uses the money repaid by Greece for example just to pay the interest on the loans and the rest of us are doing so too. So the debts will never be paid.
Things are not looking good for any of the southern medi. countries.


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Interesting that in the Old Testament when the united peoples decided to build a huge tower to try and reach into the heavens (tower of Babel) that God caused it to fail and scattered the peoples giving them different languages. The story has parallels in Surmerian history as well. The EU Parliament building in Strasbourg was modelled on the unfinished Tower of Babel....never learn from history!

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Should have modelled it on the Leaning Tower of Pisa.


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