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#848191 - 6th Jan 2014 10:44am Politics Today *****
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Thought this might be a good place for people to view their political opinions with each other, instead of hijacking just about every topic which has a 'slightly' political theme.

As much as we like to see political views, they can become dominant.

So, this morning I would like to say that it would appear that the political scene is changing. Tories putting the fear up Labour, should they dare to think of going all out for a Labour victory at the next General Election. Labour hiding behind Miss Haversham's cobwebs, whilst they see if they would want to take the country through the next period of undeniable hardship, which could damage them for eternity. Pretending to stand firm with the Unions for face value. The reason that there is always civil unrest, the minute the Tories are at No.10, is because the Unions start to rumble the minute the election results are known. Trouble makers! Always trouble makers!
Lib/Dems, who have experienced a 'touch of class' are not ready to give it up yet, so are hedging their bets against first past the post and will possibly jump from one side to another when it gets nearer the right time.
Personally I don't think Labour wish to win, I think Lib/Dems now know they haven't got a chance, and Tories are hoping that the promise of a better deal for pensioners will bring the votes in.
As Casper said before "beware of those who bare gifts" (or something like that) Tories have not mentioned that the now promised increases of astronomical proportions in state pensions, that the Pension Credits could very well be abolished. Pensioners, don't ever get the impression that one day the state may make you rich!
We are all surrounded by a visible line and if we are lucky enough to break through it, that's good. If not, we will be at the mercy of No 10 for ever. They are not necessarily bothered about the individual non-starters. It was easier for Labour to throw crumbs to the unemployed or those on short working hours, in ways of benefits, it actually saved them the problem of worrying about providing industry for employment (whilst in was being sold off, 'big time', under their noses). They knew that the unemployment scene was to get worse, hence 'tax credits' and to support the employers, and keeping the unemployment figures down. It kept people happy and quiet to the detrimental situation of the country.
The figures of unemployment now,% is no worse than it has been before, if you take the increase in population into account.
Which ever Government said the increase in migrants would be to do jobs we wouldn't. Absolute rot. Go to Kent and see the mums who would work in the fields picking strawberries and soft fruits all summer long. Take their children, so no need for childcare. The students who went home for the holidays could earn a few bob. A way of life and a time they so looked forward too each year. Apple picking, fruit packing. No it was the Government who said we were to good to do that type of work, not the workers. Read between the lines...more brainwashing.
If anyone is a strong loyal supporter to any one of our political parties in this country, you need your heads examining, because you obviously have blinkers and ear muffs on. Personally the next party political campaign for the General Election could be seen as a follow up to Spitting Image.

IMHO.

Now start the scrap~
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#848194 - 6th Jan 2014 11:19am Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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Nice one granny, you tinker you, waiting for the fur and feathers to fly, you know what they say about football, politics and religion. smile

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#848200 - 6th Jan 2014 11:49am Re: Politics Today [Re: casper]
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Originally Posted By: casper
Nice one granny, you tinker you, waiting for the fur and feathers to fly, you know what they say about football, politics and religion. smile


Oh, so right Casper.
I would love a topic on religion,particularly about understanding the historical facts, but when it is something that people hold within their hearts, those who mock and abuse can actually cause much pain. Very similar to ones husband or child being mocked, verbally abused or humiliated. Love over rides all things.

Don't have love for politicians. smile So get cracking!
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#848207 - 6th Jan 2014 12:30pm Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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#848209 - 6th Jan 2014 12:42pm Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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Never been that interested in politics probably because i got a reasonable job and training on leaving school and been in employment most of my life bar a few months. Only took a real interest following 911 and invasions of Iraq. I still dont have a great deal of interest in local politics and not bothered who gets in as long as they do a half decent job. Just seems to me that politicians of any colour learn how to be economical with the truth, spin and always see things through there own tinted specs and [censored] off the opposition.The constant fobbing off by all about a referendum on Europe raises my suspicions.Anyway its UKIP for me because I find Nigel Farage far more entertaining than the other clowns who have been running the circus.

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#848215 - 6th Jan 2014 1:25pm Re: Politics Today [Re: fish5133]
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I shall be eternally grateful I don't live in North Korea.

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#848220 - 6th Jan 2014 1:55pm Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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I was fortunate enough to be able to visit East Berlin on two occasions. If anyone ever thinks that their way was the best way, if you get what I mean, then I would advise you to think again. I've never seen such a miserable sad existance anywhere and I've been to a few sad places believe me. North Korea is very similar. We don't live in a perfect system that's for sure but believe me it's better than the alternative. This remember is through experience not reading propoganda.
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#848232 - 6th Jan 2014 2:50pm Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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Every time I go into the voting booth, I grab the chunky pencil on a string and then scan the menu. Spike Milligan is never on the list, so I usually write his name at the bottom and put a "X" against it ! A wasted vote - yes, but the rest of them are a joke as well. At least it "might" put a smile on some crusty old ballot counter's face ?

These headaches are getting worse...............

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#848234 - 6th Jan 2014 2:59pm Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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Its very easy to dismiss all politicians as liars and cheats based on tiny soundbites and snippets on the News, but does anyone actually know their local MP and the work they do?

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#848235 - 6th Jan 2014 3:06pm Re: Politics Today [Re: BandyCoot]
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Extremes of the left or the right don't work, but I fear a coalition between UKIP and the Conservatives will lurch us to the extreme right, I take your comment on the former Eastern bloc countries, but some of the South American countries equal them with their right wing governments.

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#848237 - 6th Jan 2014 3:20pm Re: Politics Today [Re: casper]
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Quite right, casper, extremes of any complexion don't work, as has been proved by many states. The difficulty with this country is that, excluding the Loony Left and Rabid Right, there's little to choose between the main parties. It's interesting to see that, in this as in many other aspects, we follow the U.S.A. where it's barely possible to distinguish between Democrats and Republicans. I used to dread the prospect of a Labour government; these days I don't much care which party/parties is/are in power. I'm inclined to agree that an alliance between Conservative and UKIP is probably the worst option.
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#848254 - 6th Jan 2014 5:09pm Re: Politics Today [Re: chriskay]
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Well the topic seems to have started off well with some agreement between us, I think the personalities of the various members of parliament from all sides influences peoples choice when voting along of course with the policies of the said party, remember Nick Clegg, he came across as hail fellow well met, a saleable package but with no content, I have to say that the Tories win hands down as the party with most least appealing line up, in fact some of them are down right odious characters.

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#848435 - 7th Jan 2014 10:39am Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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people will always never get that ALL governments, who ever they are, are like a giant corrupt accountant who work out ways to undermine your job, lower your pay, take your pension, degrade your rights of appeal, make private corps richer....this has gone on over decades THEY HAVE NO MONEY, ITS YOURS.....
its not their house getting re possessed or their pay lowered or getting made redundant or their pension reducing THEY DONT LIVE BY THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR FISCAL POLICIES OR DECISIONS .
People wake up....
" Incompetent corrupt sycophants who feather their nest"
Even down to your local council....for example Wirral council pay 860,000 for a staircase and blame it on LABOUR but cut street lighting to save money. Some council staff where on 150 k a year ....WHY ? TOO MANY pigs are at the trough of the tax payer !!!!
Google a pie chart of the uks GDP how its made and spent....don't be distracted by media controlled by your GOV that raping the unemployed or blaming immigration is the direction to look at....
The GOV love to distract you while busy taking things away, it started 40 years ago with THATCHER .
All partys are insidious liars.
I repeat on here....watch George carlins "American dream " video on youtube....its all been fore seen and predicted

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#848437 - 7th Jan 2014 10:49am Re: Politics Today [Re: svenlock68]
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A very insightful post Sven.As the three main parties have now congealed into a single, corrupt,homogeneous mass do you think it's worth voting at all? Would it really make any difference?

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#848438 - 7th Jan 2014 10:53am Re: Politics Today [Re: granny]
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we live , in 2013, in a country which STILL.....
cant protect its children
cant look after its old
rich get even richer
poor get poorer
all our services are slowly quietly going private
we still have mass strikes like the 70s
MPS take the pee out the taxpayer with a 11 % pay rise while wages on average have lowered
your councils are still corrupt and money wasting
theres less police but even more crime
we continue to constantly try to "update" the NHS and education to pander to idiot MPS like GOVE OR HUNT.
THE BIG SIX ENERGY SUPPLIERS HOLD US TO RANSOM constantly while weak regulators sit back.
banks still make money out of debt, their most lucrative sector, while rigging stocks and moving drug money ! yet ask us to "trust them again"
union power has gone and the ONLY thing people can do IS STIKE .
and so on and so on....

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