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"Accidentally" killing someone would be classed as Manslaughter, murder does require a degree of premeditation, even if just a few seconds.
The "punching someone" would depend on the circumstances, if someone threatened you and you killed him with one punch, Manslaughter, or even Self Defence.

If you just walked up to someone and one punch, Manslaughter, nor even Murder as you would have been "careless" as to an injury being caused, depending on if the punch was premeditated or a spur of the moment thing (you went out looking for someone etc), the law is very rarely cut and dried on these things, if it was we wouldn't need Courts and Juries we could all be sentenced by question and answers on a computer

Yeah I realised that when I saw it was on the death penatly topic I thought it was on the Corporation so that was a mistake on my part.

And I have to agree with alex he does look vulnerable and doesn't really look a full shilling, to me the boy looks totally harmless. People judge by looks too much, never judge a book by its cover, just because of how someone looks or what they wear doesn't make them a chav or a bad person.

The 'thin skull' rule says that the defendant must take his victim as he finds him - if you knock a person to the ground who has such a skull, the defendant should be liable. It is not the victim's fault that he was not blessed with a more substantial skull. Therefore, even if injury or death is not reasonably foreseeable, the law still considers the defendant liable if the victim suffered from some physical or mental condition that made him or her vulnerable.

QFT. Nicely put as well.

I'm aware of the 'thin skull' rule but my personal experience says otherwise. It's not so cut and dry.

I do not think at the moment anything is working. The death penalty has been proven to be flawed ie ppl hung only to be proven innocent later, natonal service as stated above ppl move to another country, probation is a joke. There are no cut and dried answers and i do not think there ever will not in my life time any way x (i am 54) .

Has there ever been any comprehensive papers written showing that national service has any effect at all on crime rates? It seems to be one of those things people think should work, but ultimately doesn't seem to do so because it's inherantly flawed. Much like the death penalty.

If you read my posts I did say its around 18-20..hardly a kid!! The decision was taken out of his hands and he now has to live with the consequences of someone elses actions. I just think its sad that he can no longer return to his home country because of this..even tho I understand the reasons behind the decision. Its not a critisism..its fair comment so no need for your 'get a grip' comment. Uncalled for!

A lot of people demanding national service be brought back probably never did it themselves. If you were born after 1942 then you couldn't have done it as it was abolished in 1960. Well, for those wanting it brought back for all young people, why not try it yourselves too? Would be interesting to see some of the middle-aged Daily Mail-reading keyboards warriors faces when they recieved their mandatory call-ups.

I never understand when people say "if I go back to my country, people from the Government/next village/ex wife's family etc will kill me". Government, yeah I can see they "may" have a list of people, but as for the rest, generally the country is big enough for them to never bump into anyone. Do some people really think they are that important that there will be someone at every airport or port on the off chance, watching for them to arrive.

Customs, immigration?

Excuse me sir, could you please tell me when you were last in the country, and why you left.

If he was smuggled out he might not even have a passport from his home country, and have to travel on his British one.

We are supposed to be a civilized country, even though at times it seems otherwise, many aren't.

at last the voice of sanity..well said!

Looks like you are deliberately missing the point. This is nothing to do with a middle-aged person doing national service. Its about young people with nothing better to do than commit crimes and live a very angry life because they blame society for their situation! MANY people in national service do not go near the frontline and work on or near the service base. Its about teaching them respect for others, self respect, and to instill a sense of dignity in them and a sense of pride that they have served their country. And whilst doing this they may have the chance to learn an important trade.They will have done something with their lives instead of ending up on the wrong side of the law. Surely its a way for them to see a better way of life.. when the alternative is a constant round of drugs, alcahol and crime.And yes I have a son of the relevent age and if he was heading down the drugs route I would be thankful to get him away from it.Its less than 2 years out of their lives ..but its 2 years that can make them realise their full potential and worth.I have witnessed it first hand from many foreign friends..and believe me, it works.

I meant as in someone from next village/ex wife's family etc. But never mind - it's late, I'm tired and I cba.

Why did you think I wasn't referring to any particular incident? If you're going to criticise something, at read it properly.