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There is a gang of people that have been intent on bullying and harrassing people on here, you all know who you are. Your all like a bunch of school kids in a playground, isn't time you all grew up and respected other peoples opinions!!!
We are all individuals and are entitled to our OWN opinions, life would be pretty boring if we all thought the same.
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Becky you are new on here and should make your own judgement about people.
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@Ex0 - you can't get subpoenas in this country, so it looks like you may have been looking at American procedures. They ARE used in this country (they are more commonly known as witness summons to the lay person and known as a witness citation in Scotland). There are two types of subpoena - the ‘subpoena duces tecum’ which means that the court requires you to provide certain specified documents, or a ‘subpoena ad testificandum’ which requires you to attend court to give evidence. A failure to attend when subpoenaed can be treated as a contempt of court.
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Thanks Wench, I thought I should have checked that statement, but a policeman (or individual) can't apply for a subpoena as he does a warrant, it is only the Court/Judge that can require/issue one. Is that right??? (if that makes sense???)
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so it looks like you may have been looking at American procedures. I wasn't looking at anything, I was going from memory and personal experience. The Secretary of State (and anyone representing him) has a right to obtain details from all UK ISP's and doesn't need a warrant. If they fail to provide the details on request (or fail to keep satisfactory records), they can be prosecuted. This was a law brought in when those ridiculous section ~40 terrorism laws came into effect, court orders are required to obtain account holder information, ISP's are required to store and provide certain information, they don't do it for free. Most anonymizer sites are in the game of making money, they are much more cooperative than they would like users to believe, they don't want to lose their revenue by being shut down but they also don't want the users to know they cooperate either, so a cozy arrangement generally exist. Duh. Good luck getting info from .ru or .in proxy services. Perhaps my example of anonymizer.ru lead you to believe I was talking about popular anonymizing services hosted in the US like hidemyass or proxify, I wasn't. There are other methods of tracking a changing IP which are automated You're talking about hitting nodes as they get routed or sniffing traffic? MITM attacks? those require a GREAT deal of infrastructure to be controlled or directly accessable by whoever is supposed to be tracking the changing IP. It's not realistic. Its quite easy - the internet is bi-directional, you can't have a situation where you put a page request out on one IP and it arrives back on another without it being obvious that you pass an instruction for the expected return IP, otherwise it wouldn't know where to go. SSH Tunneling? Proxychains? If you use Modem access to a foreign ISP then it may start to get difficult, but not many would bother to get stuck with slow modem speeds again. Ugh, no one would go to that much trouble when you can buy VPN access with virtual cc's or bitcoins for a couple dollars a piece. Interesting idea though.
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All UK internet traffic is monitored at Menwith Hill and/or Fylingdales by both UK and US governments. Almost all major Russian internet services are run by Russian Universities, the government there is more restrictive than ours. The chances of anonimzer.ru (or whatever) being a truly independent subterfuge organisation are extremely slim and governments do cooperate, they can't afford not to. The Secretary of State powers for obtaining records came in before the terrorism laws as they were already in place under the Telecommunications Acts, I think the terrorism act added requirements for what was held and for what timescales. Although there are a lot of theoretical ways to confuse your ip source, most are reliant on third parties who you don't know what they are really doing - as I said, they like the users to think it works - but does it really 
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