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#461548 - 13th Jan 2011 12:08pm Underground stream in Wallasey
willshack Offline
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Does anybody know anything about an underground stream that runs along Station Road, under Wallasey Road, Kingsway and Malpas Road ending in Captains Pit?

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#461575 - 13th Jan 2011 1:25pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
sarahdavo Offline
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Registered: 1st Jan 2011
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Loc: Egremont wallasey
I dont know anything about an underground stream, but it sounds perfectly plausable to me. Ther are caves stretching from new brighton front, all the way to st hilarys brow. The smugglers used to use the cave, for smuggling the goods of ships, years and years ago. Ther is an entrance to the caves, in somebodys back garden in new brighton. I remember one year when the wirral show was on, my mother and myself went down and had a look around, ther was lots of small holes that you couldnt fit a human down, but pot holers would have loved it. the underground chambers stretched for miles.

sarah xx

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#461623 - 13th Jan 2011 2:48pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
Kitty21 Offline
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Registered: 26th Dec 2010
Posts: 19
Loc: Wallasey
The only thing I can contribute to this is that my grandad who would of been over 100 years of age now, stated that the houses in Kingsway where built on a "pond" as he called it.

Kingsway used to be a lane that led up to the old Weatherhead school, which was a house at the time and captains pit was their garden. This is only hearsay, but I just thought I would let you know incase anyone else can back it up.

Kitty smile x

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#461726 - 13th Jan 2011 6:20pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
PaulWirral
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There are actually numerous streams under Wallasey. They use to "feed" the wells ie Mill Lane and the old Pumping Station off Seaview Road. The Captain's Pit is an ornamental pond so has no water feeding into it (it would flood or drain otherwise!)

...and welcome Kitty to wiki.

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#461783 - 13th Jan 2011 8:59pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: sarahdavo]
Helles Offline
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Registered: 28th May 2010
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Originally Posted By: sarahdavo
I dont know anything about an underground stream, but it sounds perfectly plausable to me. Ther are caves stretching from new brighton front, all the way to st hilarys brow. The smugglers used to use the cave, for smuggling the goods of ships, years and years ago. Ther is an entrance to the caves, in somebodys back garden in new brighton. I remember one year when the wirral show was on, my mother and myself went down and had a look around, ther was lots of small holes that you couldnt fit a human down, but pot holers would have loved it. the underground chambers stretched for miles.

sarah xx


Sorry Sarah but has no basis in truth. Yes there are caves there but to say they stretch to St Hilary's is not proven. Think you are mixing up the stories about the caves and the fact that Wallasey smugglers were supposed to have strong links with St Hilary's. They probably did but there is no proof of any caves stretching that far. In fact, the caves in Wellington road go towards the sea if my memory serves.

Re the stream, surely that would be going up hill if they came out at captains pit? Any river (stream) worth its salt (no pun) usually goes towards the sea. There is underground water around that area because Wallasey used to take a lot of its drinking water from wells below where ASDA is now before it became contaminated by diesel oil. Used to be so pure that you could put it in car batteries without worrying.

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#461786 - 13th Jan 2011 9:18pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
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I LOVE the smugglers/tunnels/ pirateeing aspect of our History. Its difficult to know, for sure, what is fact, fiction, legend, myth though.
i was fascinated reading about a description of Mother Redcaps. It reminded me of the film The Goonies!!
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#461799 - 13th Jan 2011 9:45pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: Helles]
sarahdavo Offline
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Registered: 1st Jan 2011
Posts: 391
Loc: Egremont wallasey
Originally Posted By: Helles
Originally Posted By: sarahdavo
I dont know anything about an underground stream, but it sounds perfectly plausable to me. Ther are caves stretching from new brighton front, all the way to st hilarys brow. The smugglers used to use the cave, for smuggling the goods of ships, years and years ago. Ther is an entrance to the caves, in somebodys back garden in new brighton. I remember one year when the wirral show was on, my mother and myself went down and had a look around, ther was lots of small holes that you couldnt fit a human down, but pot holers would have loved it. the underground chambers stretched for miles.

sarah xx


Sorry Sarah but has no basis in truth. Yes there are caves there but to say they stretch to St Hilary's is not proven. Think you are mixing up the stories about the caves and the fact that Wallasey smugglers were supposed to have strong links with St Hilary's. They probably did but there is no proof of any caves stretching that far. In fact, the caves in Wellington road go towards the sea if my memory serves.

Re the stream, surely that would be going up hill if they came out at captains pit? Any river (stream) worth its salt (no pun) usually goes towards the sea. There is underground water around that area because Wallasey used to take a lot of its drinking water from wells below where ASDA is now before it became contaminated by diesel oil. Used to be so pure that you could put it in car batteries without worrying.


When i went down into the cave, ther were many smaller paths, caves, pot holes call them what you will, and the tour guide, told me about them going as far as st hilarys brow, this was many years ago when i was a teenager, and im 42 now, so im sorry but i think your mistaken here, and have you actually been into the caves yourself ?

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#461804 - 13th Jan 2011 9:47pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: sarahdavo]
sarahdavo Offline
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Registered: 1st Jan 2011
Posts: 391
Loc: Egremont wallasey
Originally Posted By: sarahdavo
Originally Posted By: Helles
Originally Posted By: sarahdavo
I dont know anything about an underground stream, but it sounds perfectly plausable to me. Ther are caves stretching from new brighton front, all the way to st hilarys brow. The smugglers used to use the cave, for smuggling the goods of ships, years and years ago. Ther is an entrance to the caves, in somebodys back garden in new brighton. I remember one year when the wirral show was on, my mother and myself went down and had a look around, ther was lots of small holes that you couldnt fit a human down, but pot holers would have loved it. the underground chambers stretched for miles.

sarah xx


Sorry Sarah but has no basis in truth. Yes there are caves there but to say they stretch to St Hilary's is not proven. Think you are mixing up the stories about the caves and the fact that Wallasey smugglers were supposed to have strong links with St Hilary's. They probably did but there is no proof of any caves stretching that far. In fact, the caves in Wellington road go towards the sea if my memory serves.

Re the stream, surely that would be going up hill if they came out at captains pit? Any river (stream) worth its salt (no pun) usually goes towards the sea. There is underground water around that area because Wallasey used to take a lot of its drinking water from wells below where ASDA is now before it became contaminated by diesel oil. Used to be so pure that you could put it in car batteries without worrying.


When i went down into the cave, ther were many smaller paths, caves, pot holes call them what you will, and the tour guide, told me about them going as far as st hilarys brow, this was many years ago when i was a teenager, and im 42 now, so im sorry but i think your mistaken here, and have you actually been into the caves yourself ?


also the stream, whilst i agree with your analysis that given the route the op gave for the proported stream i would agree that it would be running up hill which streams do not. having said that, there is an old well under the water tower in liscard, so going far under ground ther is plenty of water underneath wallasey, and who,s to say that once you get deep underground that the path the water runs isnt in fact straight ?

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#461812 - 13th Jan 2011 10:09pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: ]
PaulWirral
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Originally Posted By: PaulWirral
There are actually numerous streams under Wallasey. They use to "feed" the wells ie Mill Lane and the old Pumping Station off Seaview Road. The Captain's Pit is an ornamental pond so has no water feeding into it (it would flood or drain otherwise!)



Hello? Is this on? One, two...one, two! There are streams UNDER Wallasey. There are streams that run from Wallasey Village to Poulton. There are streams to the North of Liscard. There are streams in Upper Brighton running to Liscard and across to Belvidere Road. Why are there streams in this particular area? The answer is sandstone! Rain seeps through and causes underground streams. They still flow! Many empty into drainage pipes.

There is no streams under Seacombe or Egremont because the land here is clay. By the way, rain corodes sandstone. Our 'children' of the future will see parts of Wallasey fall into huges holes! Say farewell to The Breck!!


Edited by PaulWirral (13th Jan 2011 10:10pm)

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#461821 - 13th Jan 2011 10:22pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: ]
sarahdavo Offline
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Registered: 1st Jan 2011
Posts: 391
Loc: Egremont wallasey
THANK GOD I LIVE IN EGREMONT, MY HOME ISNT LIKELY TO FALL FROM UNDERNEATH ME LOL.

Ther is lots of sandstone in wallasey, i distincly remember standing by the yellowy colour sandstone wall that runs just passed the Pub in wallasey village, and curves round to the begining of wallasey road, and being told as a child that the cave tunneling came that far in from the sea front.ther may not be any evidence of this, but i shall check with my nan who is 91 tommorow she is a wallasyian born and bred, used to live in moreton grove wallasey village, and then pool road wallasey, were she was bombed out in the war, now she lives in leasowe. The best sorce of information, are the original people from an area.

sarah xx

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#461828 - 13th Jan 2011 10:45pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: sarahdavo]
Helles Offline
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Registered: 28th May 2010
Posts: 887
Loc: Wirral
Originally Posted By: sarahdavo
Originally Posted By: Helles
Originally Posted By: sarahdavo
I dont know anything about an underground stream, but it sounds perfectly plausable to me. Ther are caves stretching from new brighton front, all the way to st hilarys brow. The smugglers used to use the cave, for smuggling the goods of ships, years and years ago. Ther is an entrance to the caves, in somebodys back garden in new brighton. I remember one year when the wirral show was on, my mother and myself went down and had a look around, ther was lots of small holes that you couldnt fit a human down, but pot holers would have loved it. the underground chambers stretched for miles.

sarah xx




Sorry Sarah but has no basis in truth. Yes there are caves there but to say they stretch to St Hilary's is not proven. Think you are mixing up the stories about the caves and the fact that Wallasey smugglers were supposed to have strong links with St Hilary's. They probably did but there is no proof of any caves stretching that far. In fact, the caves in Wellington road go towards the sea if my memory serves.

Re the stream, surely that would be going up hill if they came out at captains pit? Any river (stream) worth its salt (no pun) usually goes towards the sea. There is underground water around that area because Wallasey used to take a lot of its drinking water from wells below where ASDA is now before it became contaminated by diesel oil. Used to be so pure that you could put it in car batteries without worrying.


When i went down into the cave, ther were many smaller paths, caves, pot holes call them what you will, and the tour guide, told me about them going as far as st hilarys brow, this was many years ago when i was a teenager, and im 42 now, so im sorry but i think your mistaken here, and have you actually been into the caves yourself ?


Think the tour guide was pulling your leg. Yes I have been down them and also have internal photographs and plans. The entrance is in a house in Wellington road. I'm 60 and New Brighton born and bred but can't see what that has to do with anything. Next we will get the old chestnut about them being linked to Mother Redcaps.

Would love someone to tell me where the entrance/exit at the St Hilary's end might be? Suppose it has been kept secret all these years. Nah, someone on Wikkiwirral would have investigated and soon found that one out. Not much you can keep from these guys and girls thankfully.

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#461829 - 13th Jan 2011 10:46pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
PaulWirral
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Upper Brighton is characterised by the sandstaone walls that were dug out from the quarries at Upper Brighton and Rake Lane so you can see physically what parts Wallasey is built on. Wallasey Village is all built on sandstone. In fact. Wallasey Village was built into the sandstone before changes to its layout were made.

I am talking about streams which naturally run through sandstone. As for caves - there is evidence that caves run from the river front (near the Red Noses and Mother Redcaps). Beyond that it is speculation.

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#461831 - 13th Jan 2011 11:07pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
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Registered: 29th Aug 2008
Posts: 19149
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Happy Birthday Sarahs nan x wow 91 years young. These are the people that us 'young ones' should ask about Local History.
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#461835 - 13th Jan 2011 11:15pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: willshack]
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Registered: 29th Aug 2008
Posts: 19149
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I pledge that we all quiz our parents, grand-parents, Great grand-parents, as a wiki community. Too much 'personalised' info is Lost because 'we' dont listen.
Guilty of this myself frown my grandad is 90 and i havent saw him since xmas 09 frown
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#461837 - 13th Jan 2011 11:22pm Re: Underground stream in Wallasey [Re: RUDEBOX]
PaulWirral
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Originally Posted By: RUDEBOX
These are the people that us 'young ones' should ask about Local History.


I fully agree Rudey. I have asked numerous times for people to send me their "Recollections" of Wallasey's past. They will be posted on my site. Example of that is here :-

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbth...html#Post443101

No takers. Real memories will be lost.

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