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but we should still be comfortable in our dotage, we've earned it.

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What ever for? Someone shares a very one sided view but airs it in a manner that its a fact, then complains that age concern, the press etc are 'trying to influence people views' - Using your opinion then adding its a fact is pretty hypocritical wouldnt you say?

Paul, tell me the joke Iv not heard it

Agreed. It's not so much the pensioners I am against, its more the media brainwashing that goes on. Through my gradfather (who I regard as my father) I got to know a lot of pensioners as he was the guy that started the local community centre where I used to live. Having lived in the same house for over 50 years, he had spent his life with the people around him. I reguarly used to help his friends when they needed jobs doing etc, I still visit a few nowadays just to see how their getting on and be some company to them when im in the area.



The reason Somalia and some other places are like that is because they are busy fighting each other and wasting money on arms and munitions and wasting what energy they do have in fighting. Some can't climb out of it because their religion won't let them, they're born to suffer in this life as far as they are concerned because they will get their reward in the next life. Where have I heard that before? India gets aid from us and send up rockets and satellites and is trying to put a man on the moon. Why are we sending them money to do that? Anyone who is on a pension now in this country i.e. 65 and over are the old war babies and they have known what it is like to be without, good style. If pensioners of old could throw their money about a bit it was probably because they were middle class, manual worker pensioners could hardly do it, they were born to suffer as well. We were taught that it was our lot in life to work until we retire then the State would look after us, so we worked. Women were taught that their place was in the home and if they did work they were encouraged to take out a lower stamp, but they didn't explain that it would make sure they lived in penury when they got older. If I knew then what I know now I would have worked harder at getting a better pension together and retiring earlier, but I didn't so I couldn't, toughski. It is not good to generalise too much and shove everyone in the same bracket. Everyone's circumstances are different, you ask an MP. Chill!

Even the poorest of pensioners I have met were nothing like what Age Concern would have us believe - some of them own their own homes of course and are better off, but most of them live in normal council houses and are on the most basic state pension. I don't see, and never have done, this level of poverty comparable to a Somalian child that the media would like us to believe.