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Bute, you're very welcome.

I wonder what happened to the Carr children after their parents died, they would only have been between 6 and 10 years of age. Put into care perhaps or hopefully John Wallace Clark managed to keep the family together.


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I will have to look into that but probably will have to wait till I manage down & search local records. Will update if I find anything. smile

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Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I read about the story and being of Scottish descent myself, and hearing about how the family left Scotland hoping for a better life in England, I thought I would go and place some flowers on the grave. Unfortunately, even with the rough location, I was unable to find it.

The section of the cemetery should be "H" from what I read on the previous pages. Does anyone know exactly where the grave and tombstone is? Or if the headstone does indeed have the Carr name on? Unfortunately some of the headstones have fell down and there are a few that are unreadable due to age, and some without names.

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I don't think there is a headstone, you may find some help here,

https://www.fobc1868.uk/

Nellie's grave is H 610.

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Thanks, I've just looked on the website above and it actually has a map of where the grave is/should be located. Very sad to think there's no headstone. And reading through the thread, I'm surprised Nellie's brother was buried in Manchester and not in Bebington with his sister.

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No obvious signs of the remains of a headstone or marker, It was raining so I didn't poke around too much.

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Well done DD, with it being a Class 3 grave it's very unlikely ever to have had a headstone, though a paid for burial it was just a step up from a public grave (Paupers grave). For those who are not aware, Public graves are not allowed headstones. Being Class 3 the family had no say where the grave was sited, it was the cemetery management that decided, Private graves; the grave purchaser had some input.


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Well done DD, with it being a Class 3 grave it's very unlikely ever to have had a headstone, though a paid for burial it was just a step up from a public grave (Paupers grave). For those who are not aware, Public graves are not allowed headstones. Being Class 3 the family had no say where the grave was sited, it was the cemetery management that decided, Private graves; the grave purchaser had some input.

I was looking at the two public grave sections at Landican, the older one at the northern end has headstones on every grave. The newer one at the southern end has small wooden markers. but as they are recent, gravestones may or may not arrive later, I will keep my eye out as I'm there regularly.

Its up to the council whether they pay for a pauper's headstone, as the grave is owned by the council only they can put a headstone in place ie. everybody else is banned from placing a headstone.

I presume there are very few pauper burials these days, most will be cremated. I think the only pauper burials will be where the religion is known and the religion forbids it such as Orthodox Jews (but I presume they would be in a Jewish Cemetery?), Eastern Orthodox and Muslim (but they would be in the Muslim section for directional reasons).


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I'm talking about yesteryear and public graves had more than one occupant, many cemeteries had pits with perhaps 10 plus and not always associated with pandemic, etc. In the past paupers graves were never marked with headstones unless special permission was sought, example, family members only heard of the death later.


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I've just subscribed to the forum, so hopefully once it kicks in I'll be able to view the attachments. Really appreciate you taking the time to go there and take a photograph. It's interesting reading about the different classes of graves. I read online that there was a fund raiser made for the family at the time, but I don't think most / all of it was spent on the funeral itself. There's lots of contradicting information out there. Regarding the burial itself, I did find a newspaper that reported it took place at 8am, intentionally early so it didn't attract too many on-lookers, although it sounds like it still attracted people who wanted to see and/or pay their respects.

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Last post on graves that has nothing to do with Nellie, after this back on topic.

Example, Landican Cemetery, NC2, public grave, 1934-1941 grave 691, 9 occupants, grave 726, at least 5 occupants, gave up looking then.


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