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Poor old chap.

If he couldn't hear very well, then he wouldn;t have been able to guage the volume his music was playing at.

No doubt annoying for the neighbour, but he could have stuck ear plugs in. Maybe Mr Thompson worked nights as the ban was from 9am to 10pm. ( usually the other way around) .


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That is sad news.
If they insisted on sending him to prison, why didn't they send him to an open prison?
Better still, they could have just confiscated his music system.
Very sad indeed.

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Second time he was jailed for this, numerous visits from the police and council.

I feel sorry for his neighbours having had this going on daily for a number of years.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Second time he was jailed for this, numerous visits from the police and council.

I feel sorry for his neighbours having had this going on daily for a number of years.

That is all very true, but why send an 84 year old man to a maximum security prison?
There are easier solutions to this problem.
Sadly he is now dead.

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That is all very true, but why send an 84 year old man to a maximum security prison?
There are easier solutions to this problem.
Sadly he is now dead.


They didn't, Walton is not a maximum security prison (Cat A), it has both Cat B and Cat C facilities, Cat C being the lowest level of closed prison.

They may have sent him to the nearest prison for ease of visiting, I think the nearest Cat D prisons (ie open prisons) are the other side of the Pennines. I also think short sentence prisoners tend to be kept local?


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Probably worked his whole life, paid his dues and retired, didn't deserve to be put in prison at his age for the "crime" he committed.

What a sad pathetic time we live in when an elderly person goes to prison and dies alone in filth for listening to classical music but a north face rat gets community Service for stealing cars, bikes and committing burglary.

Hope that prick of a neighbour is pleased with himself!



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Originally Posted by _Ste_
Probably worked his whole life, paid his dues and retired, didn't deserve to be put in prison at his age for the "crime" he committed.

What a sad pathetic time we live in when an elderly person goes to prison and dies alone in filth for listening to classical music but a north face rat gets community Service for stealing cars, bikes and committing burglary.

Hope that prick of a neighbour is pleased with himself!



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I am going to play devils advocate, so what do we do with someone who refuses to obey a legal request? give him a warning a restriction? never worked, fine him never worked, imprison him never worked, anyone.

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Originally Posted by casper
I am going to play devils advocate, so what do we do with someone who refuses to obey a legal request? give him a warning a restriction? never worked, fine him never worked, imprison him never worked, anyone.


Give him a court order to sell his property and move into a nursing home.

That would be more humane, not a hard choice to do and better than throwing him in prison.


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Originally Posted by _Ste_
Give him a court order [...]


Originally Posted by casper
[...] what do we do with someone who refuses to obey a legal request?


It'd probably reach the same conclusion.

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Originally Posted by _Ste_
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I am going to play devils advocate, so what do we do with someone who refuses to obey a legal request? give him a warning a restriction? never worked, fine him never worked, imprison him never worked, anyone.


Give him a court order to sell his property and move into a nursing home.

That would be more humane, not a hard choice to do and better than throwing him in prison.


I dont think making him sell his house would / would have been legal under the circumstances as he didn't appear to have been mentally incapable.

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Originally Posted by casper
I am going to play devils advocate, so what do we do with someone who refuses to obey a legal request? give him a warning a restriction? never worked, fine him never worked, imprison him never worked, anyone.


Bad generalisation . How do you know he's never worked , Casper ? Eton Drive , AIntree , is a very nice road with semi-detached bungalows. I know friends who bought a bungalow there, many years ago. He must have worked at some time in his life.

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I think Casper meant the warning never worked.

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If John Trainer was jailed in February for 24 weeks, he must have been released in August. Arrested, court case, imprisonment again and dead by 23rd November, they certainly didn;t waste any time considering the whole system has got a back log and as Covid has desrupted everything.

Even when consideration was being given to inmates for release to avoid Covid in prisons he clearly wasn't given any compassion.

Maybe he died from Covid (or at least , entered on his death certificate) ?

Probably there's more than we are being told, but even so, it's a pretty appalling senario for one of such age who liked his Luciano Pavarotti !





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