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Poulton named Poton 1579 #1072549
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Poulton of Poulton cum Seacombe, was named Poton . This map is Saxton's Map dated 1579.

Anyone know what the house could be at Poton ? Too early for the Manor houses, I believe.


http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onli...X1PTtFpZ8F7MihgMKzwV7WtOqip4uBJbknwdfos0


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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072553
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that site link does not open for me it may have been moved or deleted. I have checked all references to this Poton and found nothing. But it could be that it is a map abbreviation as Poulton means 'small settlement by a small pool of water.' Another states: Poulton: Town or Farm by a pool. From pol tun

A 1637 Saxton map says Poulton. A 1611 map does not show Poulton or any variation. Above Seacum and what looks like Tulron or Pulron.

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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072554
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I was trying to add more info above but it wont let me. I was trying to say that the 1637 map source is by the same originator that your link quotes but wont open.

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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072555
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Map opens OK for me, can't shed any light tho', but notice the Poulton Lancelyn in Bromborough is named Pooton Lancelot

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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072556
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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072578
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I often think historians place too much reliance on spelling, in the past so much was passed on by word of mouth and scribes had their own styles and spelling methods.

Imagine someone from London trying to spell Saughall Massie when it was said by someone from Speke, its not going to happen is it!

Mistakes were made, mistakes were copied (much the same problems as we have with the internet these days).


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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072587
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As time moved on the names did change , we know that from the Viking connections, but also from the official archives where the landed Gentry mentioned and Royal Charters were recorded etc.

But I wasn't really bothered about the name apart from pointing out which Poton it was I was referring to.. my question was about the building on the map. If anyone knew what it was connected to.
I know they had ships that arrived there at the end of 1500's, and wondered if it might have been connected to a customs house or similar.


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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072701
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The houses on the map represent Manors which may or may not have Manor Houses but still having Manorial rights (whether executed or not).

In 1545 Poulton had a windmill, a Pub, and a few small houses.

There is a lot of confusion between Poulton, Poulton-cum-Seacombe and Seacombe.


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Re: Poulton named Poton 1579 [Re: granny] #1072717
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I found this site , which is interesting to browse through. This chart would indicate that it was a house rather than a manor. So it may have been Litherland's I was looking at but I'm not sure when they lived in Poulton. They were there around 1600's but I don't know how long before.

http://www.bsswebsite.me.uk/A%20Short%20History%20of/maps.html

I can't see the attachments but for anyone else the same one is on this link. House, church, manor house, cathedral.

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Sorry DD, just realised what you were explaining. So it's denoting that some sort of hamlet/ community were living there ?


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No, I think it denotes that there were manorial rights to this land, the Pooles. Houghs, Whitmores, Meoles, Gordons, Smiths etc had the rights at various times although most probably didn't live there (I think most of them had other Manors) and probably never imposed their rights. So it was probably a manor-less manor.

The churches on the map are where there are parish rights etc (mostly Woodchurch of course)

Its an ownership/rights map if you like not dissimilar to the hundreds maps.

From what I can tell, Poulton might have existed before Seacombe then both areas joined, then both areas separated again.

imho


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