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Freedom of movement would allow uncontrolled migration and immigration and that is the problem.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
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The same countries that did nothing to help Chavez with the corruption problems. Admittedly Maduro has lost it, reminds me of Gordon Brown, they were pretty good in senior roles but their position went their heads when they hit the top..
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Well Suzie, I have no reason to dispute your emotions or even pass judgement. Corbyn is like a father figure to many, and anyone who has felt rejection, isolation and loneliness ( which comes in many forms) will no doubt be comforted by his fatherly mannerisms that sometimes show through.
Having said that, it does not make him the healer of the worlds problems, nor indeed the UK's problems and because he feels like a father figure to so many, it is not good reason to vote for a man who is being a puppet for Marxists and Trotskyites .
He now wants freedom of movement, last year he wanted controlled migration. He wants freedom of movement to get 'cheap labour' into this country.... that to me seems somewhat hypocritical , considering his pretence on humanitarian causes. I call it modern day slavery.
I will however, support him on his intentions towards the Middle East, Palestine, Syria, Yemen and then Myanmar, although how he will be able to bring about any change in those areas, I fail to see. Just a voice in the dark, knowing full well that his words would make no impact whatsoever in those regions, particularly if we should disarm .
I agree with you Granny on the abysmal use of cheap labour on farms. Two friends of mine from Eastern Europe worked on a farm in Lincolnshire when they first came to this country.What they described to me makes the lot of black slaves in the USA sound idyllic. Ten people of mixed sexes had to sleep in a rotten touring caravan originally intended for two. They had money taken out of their meagre wages for this 'accommodation' too! I don't though think Jeremy Corbyn is anyone's puppet. I think his views are his own but I do think we should follow the teachings of Marx. We need to rid ourselves of this horrible materialistic society where people are judged by what they have and how they look and how they speak. On one hand we preach equality while on the other hand we constantly judge people. I know what it is like to walk into a shop with money in my pocket to buy something and to have the security person immediately zoom in on me and to follow me all around in an intimidating way just because they have judged me as a shoplifter. Yet everyone knows the very best and most successful shoplifters dress in designer clothes and steal very high value items. The gap between the rich and the poor has widened enormously and the gap between the poor and the not so poor has also widened. Some of us are on the bottom of a muddy swamp trying desperately to swim up but we cannot rise. But occasionally a bubble of our despair slowly struggles upward to finally burst upon the surface and for a brief moment we see the sunlight glow and then the mud closes over and it is dark and cold again. I doubt I will ever see my dream of a fair and equal society. I will die and the local authority will kindly give me an 'environmental funeral' which is the new name for a pauper's funeral and they will burn my body and dump my ashes where they dumped so many good friends of mine but some little specks of me will break free and blow in the wind and a business woman getting out of her top range Audi will curse at the specks that land on her Jimmy Choo shoes and wipe me off in disgust with a Chanel soaked handkerchief that is immediately condemned to the nearest bin. That will be my epitaph.
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And you said the Labour government caused the property boom, and we all know it was the Thatcher government at the latter end of the 80's. when house prices went through the roof, property speculators buying one day and selling the next ...and one of the most famous of those to benefit was Derek Hatton. Member of the Labour party, belonging to Trotskyist Militant group. and who became a property developer and millionaire !! Nuff said ! Oh come on granny,Thatcher opened pandora's box, and Hatton filled his boots along with many other's the majority no doubt being well heeled Tories and their property speculator friends, I have no time for Degsy and I am not defending him, his actions just show what he really is, there are a few like him in the Labour party, as in all politics we have a percentage that are in it for themselves, my aim was to point out to Gibbo his misconception that it was Labour to blame. xxx
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And you said the Labour government caused the property boom, and we all know it was the Thatcher government at the latter end of the 80's. when house prices went through the roof, property speculators buying one day and selling the next ...and one of the most famous of those to benefit was Derek Hatton. Member of the Labour party, belonging to Trotskyist Militant group. and who became a property developer and millionaire !! Nuff said ! Oh come on granny,Thatcher opened pandora's box, and Hatton filled his boots along with many other's the majority no doubt being well heeled Tories and their property speculator friends, I have no time for Degsy and I am not defending him, his actions just show what he really is, there are a few like him in the Labour party, as in all politics we have a percentage that are in it for themselves, my aim was to point out to Gibbo his misconception that it was Labour to blame. xxx Not saying the Thatcher didn't open Pandor's box. Something to do with tax relief wasn't it ? My point being made was that Derek Hatton had no intentions of following his Socialist Ideals that he obviously thought fit for everyone else, considering his political persuasion. I think Gibbo was trying to say that the percentages of property increases rocketed in the 2000's and so they did. Tell me how a house in London can be worth £45,million now ? https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/London.htmlThat's all Casper. Now have a nice weekend. Missing you already. !
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Oh Granny! Those houses! The fabulous wealth people must have who buy them! I could not even afford to beg on those roads I would be chased away by the professional London beggars who park their BMWs around the corner.
This made me cry........no one but no one should have wealth like that and please nobody tell me they have 'earned it'! Life is so so so so unfair.
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