Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Meeting tommorrow (Tuesday night) at St Michaels and All Angels in Pensby 6pm about the green belt. Think its been arranged by a Labour Councillor as a Tory bashing rather than by Wirral Council . Hope to be there.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Average number of pupils in a Primary School in Wirral
Average number of pupils in a Secondary School in Wirral.
Average number of children in 12,000 houses 2/3/4/ bed properties
How many more school places are likely to be needed for the children of 12,000 homes.
How many more schools would have to be built. How many more teachers How many more police How many more fire and rescue How many more health centres, How many more doctors How many more roads to be cleaned How many more buses How many more traffic lights 12,000 more bins to be emptied.
How much more council tax will we all have to pay ?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
The more people there are, the less council tax you need to pay because the extra people also pay council tax and fixed overheads become a lesser proportion of costs.
Quite a few of the remaining questions I can probably obtain or estimate, the others I can give a justified guess, not now, maybe later.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
I might be getting confused (as we do) but this is the Government Announcement published in February 2017. Unless it's been altered I see no mention of having to use green belt land, in fact quite the opposite.
Best to read it all, although the view of Wirral Council that all homes to reach the projected figure have to be 'new build' seems to be flying in the face of this plan.
Ministers have reaffirmed this government’s commitment to the green belt – that only in exceptional circumstances may councils alter green belt boundaries after consulting local people and submitting the revised Local Plan for examination, and set out for the first time all the actions local authorities must take before considering the green belt.
The plan for ‘Urban Regeneration’ includes: strengthening national planning policy to create a ‘de facto’ presumption in favour of housing on suitable brownfield land and to drive up density levels in high demand areas while ensuring that developments are well-designed and respect the character of the local area.
Also taking action to radically increase brownfield development and to bring life back to abandoned sites. That means high quality housing for families in town centres, breathing new life back into our high streets, turning abandoned shopping centres into new communities and increasing density of housing around transport hubs to build homes that people want to live in.
Empty homes
We will also continue to support local authorities to encourage efficient use of our existing stock, making best use of homes that are long-term empty.
Local authorities have powers and incentives to tackle empty homes. Through the New Homes Bonus they earn the same financial reward for bringing an empty home back into use as building a new one. They also have flexibility to impose a Council Tax premium of up to 50% (on top of the Council Tax bill), on properties that have been empty and substantially unfurnished for more than 2 years.
Great progress has been made in recent years and the number of empty homes stands at its lowest since records began. At May 2010 over 300,000 homes in England had been standing empty for longer than 6 months. As of October 2015 the number of long-term empty properties had fallen to 203,596.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
The Government set the target of 12,000 homes in 15 years. brownfield supplies say a third of that, where else can the Council allocate except greenbelt or we go back to the days of Oak and Eldon tower-blocks except taller.
Its classic ploy of this Government, they hold the cards, set the rules and organise it in such a way that the Council gets the blame and the problems.
Saying that, I think the Council have tried to reverse the blame by producing an extreme plan that they know the public will object to and they can go back to the Government and say that 90% of their constituents have objected.
Either-ways, its still the Government that are forcing some Councils to sacrifice greenbelt in an underhand manner.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
I am assuming Ellesmere Port and Neston Council will be facing the same then. Suggested 500 houses on Green Belt in Willaston. Don't know about any others.
They won't have any proof of 90% objections unless they have, (heaven forbid) a referendum !
Compulsory purchase of land for use of in the next 10-15 yrs is wrong. Surely that would be supposing that no other brown field sites would be available in the meantime. Once the land has gone, it's gone for ever . If they need Green Belt now, let them wait until the rest is needed before compulsory purchase of the whole lot. 12,000 homes is a ridiculous number anyway, and starting at £199,000 for a 1 bed house, as indicated in Morris Homes brochures, the people who need them will not be able to afford any of them. If Morris Homes are the developers, most of their homes it would seem from other areas are also 'leasehold', so that's another few hundred pounds every year for ground rent. If Wirral Council know all this, which they should do by now, they are leading us up the garden path, same as the Hoylake Golf Resort with all the luxury properties and hotel on Green Belt, which the councillors obviously voted for. I don't know who the developers are for Hoylake Golf Resort, but I do know that Mr Trump was looking at Hoylake a number of years ago, although he may have changed his mind.
According to 'Defend Wirral's Green Spaces' they have calculated that there is room for 18,000 houses on brown field sites.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
....and the council website page that I linked on page one, no longer exists.. How strange !
So if you want to see the list that was clearly visible a few days ago, here it is : Reproduced by an 'action group' (although it hasn't got West Kirby on so there may be others missing)
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
the numbers on that petition are clicking up nicely as you watch it..
That is partly a trick by change.org,I signed an old petition the other day that looked like it was rising, after a while, it stops, 8 hours later it was still at the same figure. They "count" it up to the current figure and make it look dynamic with votes coming in when there aren't any.
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
I am so cross ! Some 'numb skull ' has been knocking on doors in the Prenton area, obviously on behalf of the Labour Council or Labour Party, giving this prospective threat of compulsory purchase of Green Belt Land, as :
'A Tory Land Grab '..
That is very wrong, fabrication, and lies. If this person was told to say such things, that shows up the Council or the local Labour party for what they truly are, or if this person was given free reign to say exactly what he wanted ,then that's false information and corruption of the truth. He could end up in serious trouble .
People should not make up a scenario to suit their own inability to understand the full facts. The Labour council have put forward the idea of claiming so much Green Belt Land, when they don't need to, but that will appease any deal done with the Developers wishes for green and pleasant places.
Here is the quote again from Government..
Green belt
Ministers have reaffirmed this government’s commitment to the green belt – that only in exceptional circumstances may councils alter green belt boundaries after consulting local people and submitting the revised Local Plan for examination, and set out for the first time all the actions local authorities must take before considering the green belt.
The plan for ‘Urban Regeneration’ includes: strengthening national planning policy to create a ‘de facto’ presumption in favour of housing on suitable brownfield land and to drive up density levels in high demand areas while ensuring that developments are well-designed and respect the character of the local area.
Note : We the residents aka local people, have not been consulted prior to the plans being set out.
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Last edited by granny; 4th Aug 201810:52am.
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
