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No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. #1031644
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Wall collapsed. No trains for several days.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-39124787


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Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031658
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OUCH. I wonder if whoever overloaded the area by the wall with heavy containers will be prosecuted? I know the wall's been there a long time, and the very wet weather aggravated the situation, but putting so much heavy stuff so close to the edge is asking for trouble, I'd think.

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031663
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It stands to reason that the heavy load was more probable than not to be to blame. Somebody is going to be getting a hefty bill from merseytravel anyway

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031666
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Wall had a palisade fence on it quite possible storm doris blowing on the railings have weakened the wall. The angle the containers are at could have funnelled the wind.
Looks like a bit of illegal fridge dumping as well. Thankfully no train involved.
Think its a wall built up off the natural sandstone bedrock. Major operation at least one or two rails out of commission for weeks imo. Edge Hill and Liverpool Parkway will be busy

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: fish5133] #1031678
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Mention on news this evening that they have found tunnels underneath. That man Williamson again ??? or the Mersey link shocked


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Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031702
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Attached Files W.Tunnels Collapse (Copy).jpg

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Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031703
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boohoo Travelling to London on Saturday- via replacement bus to Runcorn first. Fun!

Thankful that nobody was killed or injured though.

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Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031719
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Couple of map links. Just look at the crap on the streets there:

Google Streetview

And a Bing birds eye view:

https://binged.it/2lgiAHD

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: Gibbo] #1031721
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
Couple of map links. Just look at the crap on the streets there:

Google Streetview

And a Bing birds eye view:

https://binged.it/2lgiAHD


Hope your not referring to the Police Station on the other side of the collapse.

Looks like fly tippers paradise.

Structural Engineers and Rail bosses will be having a few talks to decide best course of action. Rest of the wall will need to be checked, do they look at a whole new design of wall while line shut, temporary support protection to allow 2 lines to remain. Time, money safety...love to be a fly on the wall.

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: granny] #1031730
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It does highly the vulnerability of the line though - one single route into the city.

I'm surprised there's no contingency emergency plan to use South Parkway as an alternative.

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: Gibbo] #1031754
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
It does highly the vulnerability of the line though - one single route into the city.

I'm surprised there's no contingency emergency plan to use South Parkway as an alternative.


Any room at Edge Hill?

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Originally Posted by Greenwood
OUCH. I wonder if whoever overloaded the area by the wall with heavy containers will be prosecuted? I know the wall's been there a long time, and the very wet weather aggravated the situation, but putting so much heavy stuff so close to the edge is asking for trouble, I'd think.


The weight of the dense soil (especially when wet) behind the wall is enormously greater than a few containers (mostly air) and few bits of concrete.



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Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: Wally1] #1031793
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Originally Posted by Wally1


Any room at Edge Hill?


Good point - yes. Loads of tracks and space for platforms

Re: No Trains from Liverpool Limestreet. [Re: Gibbo] #1031801
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
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Any room at Edge Hill?


Good point - yes. Loads of tracks and space for platforms


I hear they are using it now for some Northern Trains.

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