I would be interested to know the opinions of others about this footballer. I know he was convicted of Rape and have had a little look at court case., which seems quite murky to me. Of course I do not condone rapists in any way,..., but I do think maybe he should be allowed to play football again earn a living and pay taxes back into system. Should imagine he regrets his actions that night bitterly but has paid the price and to me this campaign against him should stop. Don,t usually get embroiled in these kind of subjects but surprisingly do feel abit of sympathy towards him.Could be shot down on this one!!
Perhaps he should retrain as an actor and apply to the BBC after all they made a cold blooded murderer famous and a millionaire!!
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plus others
I think the problem is he has shown no remorse, and it doesnt help with the trolls hounding the poor girl, like all celebrities footballers think they are above the law, and I think there are a few more that should have been prosecuted,Alex Furgeson took short(allegedly)and got away with driving on the hard shoulder of the motorway, try it sometimes and I bet your feet wont touch.
No, he shouldn't be reinstated into top class football. Already there has been so much controversial opinion about him and his career, he's already made the opinion polls. He should be forgotten about or else many more will be hankering after the same privileges, after committing any offence. They could be bankers, doctors, nurses, teachers, MP's ...all the people we expect a higher moral code from.
He should be shunted into the realms of oblivion . It was a voluntary act on his behalf.
Having read that account granny all I can say is what a sad excuse for a man he is, do these people have mothers, sisters, or daughters? how would they feel about reading an account like that upon one of their family? taking advantage, and the other vermin with him filming disgusting.
As a football fan, I wouldn't take to my daughters to a game if he played for the team I support.
Whether they like it or not footballers are role models, they like the money being a role model pays with the media circus.
A convicted rapist should never be classed as a role model.
Horrible excuse for a human. And his GF is no better. Is her life so shallow that she needs to stay with someone who, at best, is a cheater, at worst - we know what.
I'm glad that there was so much interaction in Sheffield to hound him away from SUFC, and I hope Oldham does the same.
Its not really a question of should he play football rather should he work. IMO of course he can work and if that means playing football then so be it--if any club will have him. Or perhaps we as tax payers should keep him on the dole for the rest of his days.
i agree with gibbo
also if he joins a club .the younger players will think its ok to abuse girls that are drunk because that's what he has done. and no means no and when girls cant answer because they have to much to drink that means NO also.
Yeah, what fish says regardless of if he was falsely accused or not we don't want anymore dolites thanks.
Anyway you lot loved jimmy saville and he was a lot worse and has been proven to be guilty.
That footballer dude didn't have a fair trial.
Earning £20,000 a WEEK in 2009, he should have enough to keep him off the dole for a generation.
It takes some 2 years to earn that much.
Maybe if he had sex with your wife or daughter being in a similar state as the 19yr old, opinions may have been slightly different and 'fair trial' wouldn't have entered into it.
He had a trial and was found guilty.
Don't know what Jimmy Saville has to do with it. Is he the benchmark for everything now ?
What I don,t understand is how he was found guilty while the other two McDonald in particular we're not. Do we really know whether Evans knew he was being filmed? He is trying to overturn the guilty verdict so will not admit and show remorse at this stage. As I reiterate Rapists are ... but something about this case does not sit right with me.
The night porter described her as "extremely drunk". That reinforced the Crown's case based on the evidence of witnesses and the CCTV footage before she had arrived at the hotel.
The applicant was interviewed. He agreed that he had had both oral and vaginal sex with the complainant. His case was that she had consented. This was the case he advanced at trial.....
Therefore : He knew what state she was in and took advantage of a situation. If it was called 'abuse' would that give a more definite distinction as opposed to 'rape' ?
A man beating, abusing,or raping, a woman or girl who is under the influence of drink, drugs or anything else to such an extent, surely cannot be defended. Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to put that person back into the influential position he left, prior to his unscrupulous activities really needs to have experienced the other side of the fence before making excuses for the b..tards.
What I don,t understand is how he was found guilty while the other two McDonald in particular we're not. Do we really know whether Evans knew he was being filmed? He is trying to overturn the guilty verdict so will not admit and show remorse at this stage. As I reiterate Rapists are ... but something about this case does not sit right with me.
Defiantly something not right.
Also she was really pissed, she "forgot" yet there was no trace of alcohol in her system.
What gives?
Innocent people can be "found" guilty granny, I'm not defending rapists here I believe this man is innocent.
No Granny thank god I have not experienced the other side of the fence as you put it and hope I never will, but I do still have the right to have an opinion!
Just maybe she'd been given the 'rape drug' How would that show up 12 hours later ?
No Granny thank god I have not experienced the other side of the fence as you put it and hope I never will, but I do still have the right to have an opinion!
Yes Cools and so do I and it is a very strong opinion for reason best unsaid .
Another thing, if a criminal gets arrested and "forgets" that's no plead of innocence in a court of law yet this woman "forgot" and they clearly have believed her "innocence".
1 rule for one and another rule for others?
This mans been made a scapegoat, footballer, famous, got money, an example has been made using this footballer dude.
Just maybe she'd been given the 'rape drug' How would that show up 12 hours later ?
What you on about?
Should stay off that csi granny, puts bad things in your head.
Ste....this man had sex with her, either rape or abuse or unwittingly consented to, by her. The fact is he took advantage of a situation when he obviously knew she was somewhat 'out of it' Even his mate who left the room , who had also had sex with her, warned the porter that she was not well. So they used her for their own pleasure ,knowing she was probably not in control of herself. It was not a case of having a girlfriend for the evening was it ?
Just maybe she'd been given the 'rape drug' How would that show up 12 hours later ?
What you on about?
Her blood test were done after she had alerted the police the following morning after 11.00am. They had obviously left her there to sleep the whole thing off after he pissed off through the fire escape and back to his own apartment. Is that considerate or another inexcusable act ?
Ste....this man had sex with her, either rape or abuse or unwittingly consented to, by her. The fact is he took advantage of a situation when he obviously knew she was somewhat 'out of it' Even his mate who left the room , who had also had sex with her, warned the porter that she was not well. So they used her for their own pleasure ,knowing she was probably not in control of herself. It was not a case of having a girlfriend for the evening was it ?
So the jury say.
Just my opinion granny.
Ste....this man had sex with her, either rape or abuse or unwittingly consented to, by her. The fact is he took advantage of a situation when he obviously knew she was somewhat 'out of it' Even his mate who left the room , who had also had sex with her, warned the porter that she was not well. So they used her for their own pleasure ,knowing she was probably not in control of herself. It was not a case of having a girlfriend for the evening was it ?
So the jury say.
Just my opinion granny.
Not the jury Ste....the witnesses
Ste your quote " I believe this man is innocent."
You arrived at this conclusion obviously having sat through the trial, listened carefully and fully considered all the evidence I suppose
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Having done jury service last year I can see how Jurors can be wrong in their decision. A clever defendants barrister can sum up in such a way as to try and sow seeds of doubt in the jurors minds. Our case consisted of 2 defendants. One we unanimously found guilty with out too much problem. The other guy we all believed was probably guilty given all the circumstances but felt we lacked just one final piece of evidence. I am sure that given a different jury--with perhaps different personalities on it they both could have been found guilty.
Yes Fish I too did jury service a few years ago and I agree with you. Hope I never have to do it again. My cases were not that serious thank god.
Got mixed feelings regarding this one. Spoke about it a while ago with SIL.
I, too Cools do not understand why the McDonalds were found 'Not Guilty' but the Foot-baller was??
Yeah Rude it still puzzles me.
Just in case no ones seen the website set up on his behalf.
http://chedevans.com
Ste your quote " I believe this man is innocent."
You arrived at this conclusion obviously having sat through the trial, listened carefully and fully considered all the evidence I suppose
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You have your opinions I have mine, there's plenty of cases of wrongful imprisonment in this country be it murder, assault or whatever.
Don't brlive everything you read in the papers, most of its exaggerated.
I have visited Ched Evans website, and nothing it contains changes my mind about his guilt in fact it strenghtens my view that the decision was right, this was a predatory act on a young vunerable girl, have they no self respect or decency they all behaved dispicably, Evans sneaked in after his friend used her, like a thief in the night how low can you get, an opportunist rapist, his girfriend states he is innocent he would never do that, and how they lie in bed together dreaming of an idylic life(sickening) and yet the facts are there.
Ste thinks he is innocent which is his right, however to suggest that he was picked on because he is a footballer is laughable, the best defence team, the best expert witnesses and yet he was found guilty, on appeal still guilty, I to have served on a jury also and to suggest that they can be swayed ormanipulated by one or two people is so far out, if they werent all in agreement then there would have been a retrial.
Originally Posted By: organiser
Ste your quote " I believe this man is innocent."
You arrived at this conclusion obviously having sat through the trial, listened carefully and fully considered all the evidence I suppose
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You replied.......
You have your opinions I have mine, there's plenty of cases of wrongful imprisonment in this country be it murder, assault or whatever.
Don't brlive everything you read in the papers, most of its exaggerated.
Ste....As you can see from original post, I never offered an opinion, simply asked you a question which you did not answer
Apologies for the cut and paste of the following text from another source, but I think it sums up the situation perfectly:
The official position is that Ched Evans was convicted of rape and sentenced to 5 years, he has served roughly half his sentence and has been released on license or parole, if he violates the terms of his parole he can be returned to prison with no further trial.
So he hasn't served his time, his sentence is not over.
The fact that he doesn't believe he has done anything wrong beyond an act of infidelity to his fiancé is immaterial, he was convicted as a rapist and will remain so, barring being given leave to appeal which has so far been refused, and that appeal succeeding, which seems unlikely given that there is no new evidence.
He will have to attend regularly and sign the sex offenders register precluding him from ever working abroad and as far as I'm aware this will continue for the rest of his life, his punishment will continue indefinitely it will never be 'spent'.
People are saying he has been rehabilitated, he hasn't, to be rehabilitated means accepting the crime and giving reasonable assurance that there will be no repetition, he doesn't think he's done anything wrong so he can give no such reasonable assurance
And as usual no thought is being given to the female victim in all this who has had to move and change her name for the fifth time, was denied time with her family and friends at Christmas, and is still being hounded and vilified by Mr Evans fans via their website, at no time has Mr Evans expressed remorse or regret for this, at no time has he asked his fans to leave the victim alone, during all this time he lives in relative comfort while the victim is pursued and forced to give up her life time after time.
Yes a good post. Why should a convicted criminal who has not completed his punishment by half, come out of prison and carry on a luxury lifestyle as if nothing has happened. He is laughing at us all and especially the victim.He shows no remorse and therefore no respect for his victim or in fact any girl. Young lads will idolize him and it is a deception that he is putting to them. Wrong wrong wrong. Oldham Athletic should be boycotted by everyone, fans and sponsors alike if they employ him.
Dont normally comment on things like this but
a. Guilty or innocent he was involved somewhere along the line
b. Does his fiance have no self respect- ooh no hes a footballer, pound signs. My husband would be out the door with his bin bag of clothes!
c. When will girls (referring to alleged victim)take some responsibility for their own actions. Yes, as a teenager in the 70's I went out clubbing, had a few drinks but knew when to stop and keep myself safe.
ive two daughters 32 and 21 and knew i could trust them to keep safe
rant over!
I have visited Ched Evans website, and nothing it contains changes my mind about his guilt in fact it strenghtens my view that the decision was right, this was a predatory act on a young vunerable girl, have they no self respect or decency they all behaved dispicably, Evans sneaked in after his friend used her, like a thief in the night how low can you get, an opportunist rapist, his girfriend states he is innocent he would never do that, and how they lie in bed together dreaming of an idylic life(sickening) and yet the facts are there.
Ste thinks he is innocent which is his right, however to suggest that he was picked on because he is a footballer is laughable, the best defence team, the best expert witnesses and yet he was found guilty, on appeal still guilty, I to have served on a jury also and to suggest that they can be swayed ormanipulated by one or two people is so far out, if they werent all in agreement then there would have been a retrial.
"Evans sneaked in after his friend has used her"----the jury agreed that it was consensual sex between Evans friend Mcdonald and the girl--that's why he wasn't charged with rape --therefore he didn't use her. She had gone back with Macdonald willingly for pizza and sex.
Also the jury were not all in agreement and had to go back at the judges request and come to a unanimous agreement. (judge wouldn't accept a majority verdict) Therefore a number (we don't know how many) of the jurors were "swayed" by the others to change their initial opinion of innocent or in the case of Macdonald guilt.
Oh yes he did use her whether you like it or not, she was vunerable the worse for drink, and McDonald knew it thats why he phoned his mate, easy pickings lets all have a bit of fun, any decent human being would have made sure she got home instead of taking advantage, predators on the lookout for easy marks.
..and another thing.
McDonald warned the Porter to keep an eye on the girl in room 14, as she was sick. Therefore, he knew that Evans was also going to leave her after he'd had enough, which was also proven as McDonald waited outside the hotel for Evans. Then they went to Evans home. So that is another point of interest. Pre arranged , I would have thought.
Whatever happened to the two chaps the room was supposedly booked for ? They obviously didn't need it, and why would Evans book a room under the name of McDonald when his friends ,who it was supposedly for, never even entered the room?
Evans also admitted lying to the porter to get a card for the door. Therefore he's been proven to tells lies too ! .
Terrible decision. Hopefully the backlash will convince Oldham to reconsider, like it did with the Blades.
I couldn't care less about football at least he's working.
Good on him, if he was that guilty he would be hiding under a rock but no he's right back out there.
Hope hes worth it,they must be hardup is all I can say,my old mum used to say a good name is everything, dont let yourself down,well Oldham have let themselves down and will no doubt disappoint a lot of their supporters and sponsors, I am sure there are lots of decent lads looking for a chance.
Doh, there are none so blind as those that do not wish to see, he is that guilty, tried and found guilty by the British justice system, as much as he and his silly little girlfriend and supporters deny it, nothing can change that.
I can think of two professional footballers who killed people while drunk driving. Both did time but were back playing league football shortly after their release from prison, presumably without public campaigns to prevent them signing for anybody.
Does this mean that rape is more serious than manslaughter ?
Bob.
Maybe- the whole 'Footballer/ WAG culture' needs addressing??
For every 'innocent' who has been violated there are a culture of young ladies willing to be violated/ roasted etc in exchange for the hope of being a permanent fixture, in Footballers lives.
Footballers- usually rich, young, fit- some are good-looking. Get treated like Gods wherever they go, girls/ women throwing themselves at them (see above)
I can see how problems are created here- even Human Beings (females) are (possibly) viewed as entitlements by these over-paid footballers.
Their Logic is not Ours.
Was it Peter Crouch who was asked what he would have been if not a footballer --his reply "a virgin"
I can think of two professional footballers who killed people while drunk driving. Both did time but were back playing league football shortly after their release from prison, presumably without public campaigns to prevent them signing for anybody.
Does this mean that rape is more serious than manslaughter ?
Bob.
What that means is; the public were obviously not so incensed and although the two you quote, went out and got drunk prior to driving, their intentions were not to kill. Not premeditated. Whereas Evans was pre-meditating his conquest. Big difference, and rape, I'm sure could feel like manslaughter to the violated individual, Bob.
I'm not 100% certain but from what I've read, those who did kill while drunk driving served their entire sentences and were profoundly sorry for what they did.
Evans has done neither.
if he was that guilty he would be hiding under a rock but no he's right back out there.
Like Gary Glitter?
My problem is, that do we deny everybody leaving prison the right to work again.There has been far too much publicity about this man and he would have been far better to stop all the rants of his supporters,waited to see the outcome of his appeal (if its allowed) and then start to re build his life.
My problem is, that do we deny everybody leaving prison the right to work again.
Nobody is denying him the right to work though. Just not on the pitch. If he wants to stay in football I'm sure Oldham's toilets need cleaning. His father in law promised him a job, so he can take that:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-footballer-job-attempt-play-fails.htmlWhen you're in a position of authority or trust or high regard, you lose any rights you had to return to that position once convicted. Would you be happy if a doctor, nurse, or teacher struck off was allowed to return to work, even if they'd served their sentence?
How about the BBC, shall we give Rolf Harris a TV programme when he gets back out? Gary Glitter and Lost Prophets music are now airbrushed from history and radio airplay.
Ched Evans deal is off. Oldham Athletic board member have bowed to enormous pressure from sponsors.
Yep, good news, although not sure about the threats claim though.
But its nothing worse than what the girl has received from Evans's supporters.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30727729
Witch hunt now, people jumping on the bandwagon.
I believe his prospective father in law offered to pay or make up any losses in sponsorship money and contribute toward his wages, he must be hard up for a son in law, if it was my kid the advice would have been run a mile give him a wide berth, he has no respect for you nor for that matter anyone else especially his victim.
The 26-year-old also condemned the online abuse of his victim, continued to maintain his innocence in the face of his rape conviction and also apologised about what he called "the effects" of the events in a North Wales hotel room which led to his arrest.
Oldham's decision to pull out of the deal was welcomed by campaigners against Evans's return to football and Prime Minister David Cameron said he would have some "real concerns" about taking his children to watch a football match if a convicted rapist was playing.
In his statement Evans said: "It is with great sadness that today I have withdrawn from talks with Oldham Athletic.
"I would like to thank the club, and those who have supported me in my lawful quest to find work. I apologise to the club's supporters, sponsors and all those affected by the last 72 hours.
"Sadly the 'mob rule' tactics employed by the more radical elements of our society and the constant media reporting, has had the desired influence on some sponsors and the club would face significant financial pressure if I joined them.
"The most significant issue for me was that owing to the threat of funding opportunities being withdrawn which may jeopardise the building of Oldham's new stand it would mean that workers would lose their jobs and others would be put at risk - that would simply not be fair."
Evans went on: "Upon legal advice, I chose not to discuss the events in question. My silence has been misinterpreted as arrogance and I would like to state that this could not be further from the truth.
"I do remain limited at present by what I can say due to the ongoing application to the Criminal Cases Review Commission and whilst I continue to maintain my innocence, I wish to make it clear that I wholeheartedly apologise for the effect that that night in Rhyl has had on many people, especially the woman concerned.
"Finally, it has been claimed that those using social media in an abusive and vindictive way towards this woman are supporters of mine. I wish to make it clear that these people are not my supporters and I condemn their actions entirely and will continue to do so."Evans has served half of a five-year sentence for raping a 19-year-old woman in a hotel room in Rhyl in 2011, and remains on licence.
Since his conviction, his victim, who has a legal right to anonymity for life, has moved home five times as online trolls repeatedly tracked her down and revealed her new identity.
One Oldham board member said the deal had been called off partly due to threats to staff and their families, although Greater Manchester Police said they were not aware of any threats to anyone connected to the club.
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Fish ......sorry to say you are not such a "wise one" if for one minute you believe Evans worded that statement
I didn't say he did or didn't--I only quoted it.
Do you know that he didn't. ?.
It doesn't really matter if he worded it or not what matters if he means it. Neither of us know that for certain.
In answer to your question...No I don't know that he didn't but I did not use the so called statement as part of a defence mechanism for him which I am suggesting you did
He was found guilty by a jury so until a court of law decides otherwise he is a convicted rapist and for my money deserves no sympathy
If he meant it fish, it would be logical to assume he would have apologised a long time ago, not when there was a job offer in his grasp, perhaps another pointer as to his character.
When you apologise its assumed then that you are guilty. All Lawyers tell their clients that they should never apologise. A bit like when you crash your car, never accept liability.
But he did apologise, albeit 3 years to late, he apologised but didnt accept responsibilty for the rape, what brought about this miraculous change of heart? concern for his victim or the carrot of a job being dangled, incidently there have been no reports to the police of any threats being made to members or staff of the club involved,probably a face saver for the club to duck out because of the backlash, the whole eopisode was distastful and needless, its brought the club into disprepute its upset a lot of their supporters and sponsors, and shown a lack of judgement by those involved.
I've copied and pasted but I think this sums it up perfectly.
By Zoe Yvonne Delaney
I’m ashamed to admit it but it was only last year, at the age of 24, did I truly start to understand the rape culture we have in this country. Of course I’ve always known about victim blaming and I’ve always been vocal about how poorly the justice system handles rape but it took an incident with my now boyfriend, to make me see how far we need to come in this country with how we deal with rape – on every level.
Now I want to say we were on a date, but we weren’t – we had finished working at a pub together and gone to the Irish American on Lime St (if you’ve been, you’ll know why I don’t class this as a date as such). For some reason, just a few drinks got me rotten – like unable to walk rotten. Jack took me home, put me to bed and didn’t even consider trying anything on.
The next day, I thanked him for acting like a gentleman as, based on my experience; most lads would have had sex with me. He looked at me utterly disgusted and asked why I was thanking him for not raping me? It was only then did I realise that we, as women, are expected to learn how not to be raped, but also to thank men for not sexually assaulting us. It’s bullshit.
The debate on whether Ched Evans should return to football has brought all the rape apologists out of the closet. Here are some FAMQ’s (Frequently asked moronic questions) that I’ve had to deal with when discussing the case recently.
He’s served his time, he’s been rehabilitated – why can’t you let him move on?
Ah, the most common shout from the terminally thick. Firstly, he hasn’t finished his sentence technically and secondly, he is unrepentant and unashamed – he is far from rehabilitated. His victim has had to relocate several times, has changed her identity more than once, is hounded by his supporters and couldn’t even spend Christmas Day with her family – I’m more concerned with why she, the victim, isn’t allowed to move on.
He maintains his innocence – are you going to feel guilty if he gets his conviction overturned?
To be honest, you should be asking him whether he feels guilty about being an unapologetic rapist, whose actions continue to punish the victim but, whatever. No, I won’t. He has had a fair trial, been convicted, by a jury, of rape and had an appeal rejected. Before I go any further, have a look at THIS. See how hard it is to get a rape case to court, let alone a conviction. I’ll play Devil’s Advocate with you though – let’s say he isn’t a convicted rapist (which he is) and was cleared of raping her? Why wouldn’t I feel any guilt? Simply because if he wasn’t a rapist then he’d simply be a scumbag who took advantage of a 19 year old girl and cheated on his girlfriend in the process. The story without rape is seedy and disgusting enough so no, I’m not losing any sleep over the miniscule chance his name is cleared.
She went back to a footballer’s hotel room – what was she expecting? A game of tiddlywinks?
Yawn. You know what; I’ve been back to a footballer’s apartment and not had sex. I went there with no intention of sleeping with anyone and left without sleeping with anyone. Had I been raped that night, I would have been horrified to think people didn’t believe I hadn’t gone there to have sex.
Actually, I’ve been back to plenty of lads houses after nights out and not had sex with them. Sometimes you want to stay out a bit longer, keep the party going, and sometimes you just fancy a make out session. Hang on – am I justifying why I go back to houses with men sometimes? Jesus.
Why can’t he go back to work though? If he a regular bloke and worked at Tesco, he’d be back stacking shelves.
HAHA – Have you seen how much of a ball ache it is to get a job at a supermarket? Good luck getting a position with a criminal record. The people who say this always tend to be the kind of people who would lead the local village boycott of a Tesco should a rapist ever start working there. Why the different attitude towards a multi-millionaire footballer.
What’s he going to do if he can’t play football?
You know what, if I’m going to be honest – I really couldn’t care less about his career prospects. His future father in law has bank rolled his campaign and website so maybe he could get a job with him. (On that note, my dad isn’t a controlling cave man type dad who dictates who I date, thank God, but I suspect he’d have a few things to say about me standing by a convicted rapist who cheated on me).
It’s not his fault he might be considered a role model – it’s the parent’s duty to raise their child.
Agreed. But football matches are attended by men, women and young children. A five year old, for example, could start watching Oldham this season and becoming a huge fan of Ched if he proves himself as a striker. A five year old will probably know nothing of this case or even what rape is – when the time comes and he asks for the name ‘Evans’ to be printed on the back of his shirt, what do his parents say to him? “Sorry son, the multi-millionaire footballer that thousands cheer for every week is actually a bad man?”
Speaking of the website, have you read it? Interesting huh?
Ah the hideous ‘Justice for Ched’ website; packed full to the brim of victim blaming content. My personal highlights are where it’s revealed he stepped over her body when she fell over in the takeaway (why would you reveal this on a site meant to be arguing his innocence?) and of course, the revelation that he chucked some chips at the seagulls. Genuine quote – “hardly a predator on the prowl.” Because it’s a well-known fact that rapists are stingy towards seagulls with their chips.
It’s not really rape though, is it? It can only be rape if you’re dragged down an alley or held at knife point.
You are literally too dumb to argue with. Go away.
Do you not think her case stops other girls coming forward to report rape? Do you not think she’s hindered other rape victims?
No, I’d say the support for Ched Evans and the constant victim blaming has in fact done that. It shows how we seem to only accept a rape claim if the victim is 100% sober and has never had sex before.
A false accusation can ruin a man’s life you know?
In this case, a CONVICTION hasn’t even ruined a man’s life. The victim is the one in fact whose life is ruined.
Why don’t we teach men not to get themselves in situations in which they could be accused of rape? What’s that? That’s really wrong of me to say. Well guess what? We teach women not to get themselves in situations that could result in their rape so how the hell do you think we feel?
What about Mike Tyson? His career never suffered.
I’m not a fan of Mike Tyson either. I never understood how he got a role in The Hangover and his recent reaction when quizzed about his crime was outrageous.
No more questions? Good. Now shut up and stop being a rape apologist.
One last thing – can we put an end to the term ‘consensual sex’? There is ‘sex’ and then there is ‘rape’. The word ‘consensual’ should never have to prefix the word sex; dirty, romantic, mind blowing – all words I like to see prefix sex, but not consensual.
Via @Scarlettwonderland & @Zoeyak
This is probably one of the best articles I've ever read from an individual, thanks for taking the time to post it.
There was a great piece about this on The Last Leg on Channel 4 last Friday. Its a brilliant satirical show based on the week's news. Catch it on 4OD if you can.
She went back to a footballer’s hotel room – what was she expecting? A game of tiddlywinks?
Yawn. You know what; I’ve been back to a footballer’s apartment and not had sex. I went there with no intention of sleeping with anyone and left without sleeping with anyone. Had I been raped that night, I would have been horrified to think people didn’t believe I hadn’t gone there to have sex.
This is where some of the problem and confusion occurs--the jury did believe she went back to the hotel room for sex--that's why Macdonald was not charged with rape. And believe it or not some women go back to hotel rooms to have sex with more than one bloke--although in this case the jury didnt agree with that scenario hence their guilty verdict on Evans
That's the crux of the problem. Footballer WAGs and, for want of a better word, trollops who want a double page tabloid spread and an instant media "career" have done so much damage.
Ched Evans' case has been reviewed and is to be sent to the Court of Appeal.
The crux of the matter as I see it is how drunk the girl was, the videos show to me that she is nowhere near as drunk as is claimed in other places - and certainly a long way from "unable to walk".
At the least it shows the evidence against Chad is unreliable. The reasons the girl went back to the room are immaterial as she could have changed her mind any way at any time, most things in life are not 100% pre-planned.
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