lenses all depend on how versatile u want the camera to be, the camera in it's basic state could take amazing shots i'm sure, but with lenses i suppose it would eliminate limitations for certain things. definitely a top of the line product ad far more than i could afford!

was thinkin of gettin a camera meself for gettin into photography, liking nature and stil life, never tried shootin vehicles tho come to think of it

Lol, how does a camera take a photo in its "basic state", when in its "basic state" it doesnt include a lens?

You cant shoot directly onto the sensor, you need something (a lens) in front of it to actually take a shot lol.

This is where people are confusing this for a "toy" like Totopop mentioned earlier and a "real" camera, its a professional DSLR, not a £100 point and shoot camera, not even a £500 Nikon D80, its extremely expensive and its designed and built only for professionals who both know how to use a camera (have been trained to a very high standard) and have the money to pay £700 each for a range of lenses the likes of Nikon and Canon and Schneider.

so u pay £1000-1500 on a camera that doesnt do shit without a lense which will cost u a further £500+ ? lol

that's shite imo

i paid £1200 on decks and they do everything u would expect, dont have to buy extras for them to do the job, dont tell me they are toys

it appears cameras are over priced, rather spend my money elsewhere lol - i also believe it's the rate new picture technology surfaces that keeps these prices inflated to this level

ps: i thought it would have some kind of standard lens - i dont really know about cameras but the ones i've looked into had ome kind of lens, unless £700 cameras are still toys?

You are not a professional photographer and you obviously have no idea about how much professional camera's cost and how they work nor the industry.

This is why you think its shite lol. I did myself, until I started taking an interest in photography, then I began to realise why these camera's cost so much. Its not a new thing either, normal SLR's have always been expensive.

You try telling David Baily or Ken Rockwell that this camera is shite because its price is high and it requires addon lenses (which may I point out will offer FAR more flexibility and much higher quality then even the best non DSLR will ever be able to, provided the photographer can use the camera correctly).

I mean this cam can shoot 4fps and has a top ISO of 8000!!



Lenses like this arnt cheap to make, never mind buy:

£700 cam's are still toys compared to the likes of these beasts lol.

£700 camera's are in the range of amateur - the beginnings of semi-pro, and are not generally used by professional photographers, except some Paparazzi who buy them because they have a habit of dropping them and dont particuarly need the highest quality shots and biggest sensors etc money can buy.

nice pelting there, cheers

hd tv's cost more than older tv's but still reasonable, new consoles cost more than old but still reasonable, new decks cost more but still reasonable, new age cameras cost a rediculous amount and u still have to spend a rediculous amount more to get ur money's worth

Tell me the price of an HD television 6 years ago - and yes they did exist, as the US have had HD for upwards of 9 years.

The reason these camera's and their lenses cost so much money is because they are specialist products that are built for professional's to use.

They are not suitable for the average consumer, 99% of the market, they are also too advanced and cost too much to produce to market towards sem-professionals etc.

They are specialist products and therefore demand specialist pricing. Just like cinema screens are specialist products and demand specialist prices when compared with consumer televisions and just like supercomputers are sepcialist products and demand specialist prices when compared to Joe Bloggs Core2Quad PC.

Are you realising why they cost so much yet??

Professional's are more then happy to pay the price's, so I would say the pricing is obviously justified if professional's are happy with it, as opposed to accepting your opinion that these are shite just because they have a high price tag, even though you have never used one and have no idea about the industry or high end DSLR's.

And to be honest, these types of camera's are only the tip of the iceberg, you wanna take a look at the likes of Nikkor, Leica to name but a few!

not really, no. same could be said for my decks lol... we'll agree to disagree, u're obviously someone who would be willing to spend that kind of cash on something u cant use proply til u pay even more.

Well your decks are useless if you dont buy media to use on them (whether it be vinyl or cd). The same as DSLR's are useless unless you buy lenses to use on them.

compare the price of vinyls/cd's to lenses, there's a slight difference

Hmmm, compare how many vinyls or cd's you need compared to lenses. You might spend £10,000 buying a great DSLR camera and a range of lenses, they will last you a good 10 - 20 years, you will just need the odd upgrade/addition every now and again, but I guarantee professional DJ's have record/cd collections that are worth far more.

Dont forget, many of these professionals in both area's dont pay a penny of their own money for these things, they are sponsored or get them bought by managment companies etc...

I know for a fact that Johnny Rizk gets tons of new CD's every single's and promo's week, some for promotional purposes, but most are just stuff he wants and if didnt work for Mix FM and one of his collegue's was Amadeus, he would have to pay for them, and his collection would have easily cost him thousands over the years.

Id hate to know how much the likes of Ferry Corsten's or Matt Darey's collection's would have cost them over the years at retail price.

Unless you play only old tunes when you DJ, you will be buying new releases every single week. You dont need to a buy a new lens every week on the other hand, just when you need one of a certain specification to meet your needs, and once you have it, you have it, its good forever, it wont be out of fashion in a month cos its been used too widely and publicly already lol.

for example, you where offered a season in IBIZA as a DJ, but you had no equipment or vinyls, so you go out and buy a decent set of decks, say Technics SL1210's, Then some Stylus and some slipmats, then as its a travelling job you will require a flight case, then if bought all at the same time how much would a good vinyl collection set you back and how long would it last till you had to buy more vinyls to keep up to date with the current club sounds.

beat me to it (sort of)

again, i wil say, they both have their pros and cons but the price for this kind of thing is unreal ps: sorry totopop, my fault ur sale thread got jacked

it was a free bump for him.

TBH I think they purposely out price tom dick or harry, or who would by point and shoot, and prosumer cameras.

In comparison, would you buy entry level Soundlab decks, if Technics SL's where the same price

fair game *penny drops* - some gear in djin is overpriced too... but still, ths seems extortionate (dunno the spellin and cant be arsed findin out) end of the day, photography is wot it is, i love it, just, if this is wot it costs to get into it and make any kind of career i'll pass

Lol of course it doesnt cost this. Ken Rockwell for instance has proven that great photography doesnt have to be expensive - see his review on a $150 camera vs a $5000 camera.

The reason a lot of professionals go for these types of camera's is because they need a certain amount of flexibility and precision, and cheaper camera's obviously do have limitations, mainly to do with lenses they can support to be honest.

I have had some great shots (well I think so anyway) with my camera, yet its only a £200 - £280 bridge camera (dependent on where you buy), with a £30 set of 2400mAh batteries and 1 hour charger and a £40 2GB XD picture card and a £20 monopod, which I have to admit I never even use.

I doubt these real high end camera's would give much of an improvement in quality when considering the price difference. But at the end of the day, my camera is only entry level and doesnt have the flexibility of these. I can get addon lens extensions for it, and I am lucky in the fact the sensor and built on lens is extremely high quality and starts from 28mm to 300mm and has features like manual zoom and manual focus ring etc to keep it within "touching distance" of a low end DSLR.

I personally wouldnt pay anything more then a few hundred quid for a digital camera, I cant ever see me needing a full DSLR, but then I am not trained (yet) in using a camera professionally and dont particuarly like using the full manual mode on my Fuji to warrant the move over to a DSLR.

As long as it takes great shots, it doesnt matter on the cost, just because something costs more doesnt mean it will make you a better user.

For instance, I can get better shots out of my camera then I can out of a beast like Totopop is selling, merely because I wouldnt be able to control the camera and use its features well enough

You could probably DJ on an old set of belt driven decks better then I could on set of Technics 1210's - just because you have the experience and knowhow with decks and I have rarely used them in my lifetime, preferring CD's and MP3's.

So you see, a lot of it down the photographer rather then the camera, so dont be put off by the stupid pricing of these high end beasts, because in all likelyhood, you will take better shots on a lower end camera and be more comfortable using it then one of these hehe.

Omg any need, the guy just wants to sell his camera

Its free bumping for him Pomp lmao!

Wtf?
lol
errm, this item is now sold, didn`t think it was gonna meet the reserve price.
Just carry on, this is all interesting stuff, lol

In the meantime, think am gonna get me a nice fuji, summink like a S9600, that will last me a while and produce good results methinks

sold already????

out of curiosity, how much for?

£1175

I wanted a K for it but the damn thing wasn`t budging from £256 for ages, i thought it wasn`t gonna sell which is why it was advertised here

Let me get this straight, you wanted a £1000 for it, but you offer it to us for £400 more than that, I thought we were all freinds on WikiWirral, lol

lmao, the thing you must realise with the old Toto by now is his asking price is always like 50% more then what he wants haha!

I'll keep that in mind for future reference, note to self "always offer him a lot less then asking price."

Thats the name of the Totopop game lol. He is usually hinting at it anyway on his sales lmao!

Make a cheeky offer, the worst that can happen is he can say no and offer you some moral guidance on the price he'd like to see you offering lol!

You should always list your price higher than what you want

If any of you are anything like me (a cheeky c**nt) it pays you will save a lot of money.


Most people just sell an item for what they want for it ,this is wrong, because you will always get knocked down

It is also good to keep hold of old papers, if someone hasn`t sold a car after say, 2 weeks, 7 x out of 10 you will be able to offer at least £200 less and they will take it

that's the smartchild for u

Lmao, you should write a book "cheeky trading for idiots", you could make a bomb lmao!

you havent got a nokia n70 for sale, you seem to have everything else

Yeah good point Waddi, talking of which, I really want a Theramin, been lookin for one for time, you got any for sale fella?

Sorry guys, i only get things through the sale of cars & the odd offerings from the kwik fit lads, i`ll keep my eyes open for an N-70 for you but wtf is a Theramin?

A musical insturment, similar to an air guitar:

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And yes that is the Legend of Zelda tune. You know it makes sense, every household should have one

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Lmao, for once, Toto is lost for words haha! You should watch it the next time ya pissed, it will probably seem more real

lol, just checked it out on wikipedia, seems you wernt winding me up HERE
Thats gotta be one of the most amazing instruments i`ve ever seen, lol

Now you can see why I want one lol

Thats amazin, I want 1 too!

Hmmm i rekon Totopop can sniff a good money making business opportunity coming along here...

Lol, nahhh, i tend to steer clear of the unknown, lol, this seems more specialist than that camera.

lol, if they released this cheap enough, i rekon it would sell like the wii, ppl buyin em just out of curiosity!

But its hard to get ahold of the proper ones, and apparently they are shit hard to use too lol!

However, if on ye travels ye do come across one, lemme know!