Eagle is still going about things the wrong way.

Angela is criticising Corbyn for not resolving the leadership problem, however, the ball is in her court, if she wants to challenge his leadership then it is not done through words, it is done through action - she knows the official process, it is her that is holding back not Corbyn.

There is no leadership battle at the moment. If she wants to develop any respect then she should do the challenge and stop faffing around.

As with most parties at the moment, there are no obvious leaders, Corbyn has got more going for him than anyone else in Labour.

Jeremy Corbyn
Angela Eagle
David Miliband
Hilary Benn
John McDonnell
Dan Jarvis
Clive Lewis
Tom Watson

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"By the next election in 1992 the Labour Party machine moved against rebellious Wallasey Labour Party, expelled key activists and shut down the CLP so it couldn't decide on its candidate. Whilst the CLP was shut down Angela Eagle was imposed as the candidate."
So when Angela Eagle says "resolve the crises" let history give you guidance on what the Permanent political class actually mean.

http://www.workersliberty.org/node/26839

On reflection I think Angela Eagle SHOULD stand. It'll be hilarious when she loses by a landslide.

And when she loses, that will be the signal for the breakup of the present Labour party: then you Marxists will have no chance of being part of a government.

We'll see....

Big scary word Marxism - very few people that use it know what it means, it is not a political stance, it is a method of analysis.

Its amazing how the right wing politicians (Conservative and Labour) find democracy so scary and they are so afraid of the left yet they swear the left is no perceivable threat.

I vote for those that have morals, this excludes 99% of capitalists.

Is a Marxist? a political stance, taken after studying Marxism. I truly believe Corbyn is a Marxist and not a method of analysis.

Before you attach a label to something or someone it would be wise to understand what it means, as dd already stated Marxism is a socioeconomic analysis/ theory later developed by his followers to form the basis of communism, or maybe the word communist was a tad to strong to use chris.

What the word originally meant is irrelevant: it's what people understand it to mean now, even if that's not the same. I'll use Communist if you would feel easier with that (although I don't really care what you and your fellow-travellers think).

You seem to have forgotten Tim Farron.

I personally don't see much difference between communism and so called democracy or any other form of governance (past and present).
They all end up with an elite core at the top who have control of most of the media and support of the wealthy and and use them to stay in power as long as they can to gain even more wealth.
Look at America and their political dynasties
Look at Russia Putin and his Oligarchs
Look at Britain and check who are millionaires in the parties and who owns the media

Most seem to pay lip service about inequality and a fairer distribution of wealth.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/life-inside-jeremy-corbyns-paranoid-8349086

And not even from the Daily Mail

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Sorry if you feel offended chriskay, it appears that support of the Labour party makes one suspect,harking back to the days of McCarthyism reds under the beds etc, and that appeared to stand out in your response.

Yep, anything left of Attila/Thatcher is a communist who eat children for breakfast etc.

I'd like to know either way if there is a challenge and Jeremy Corbyn wins again will

1 The mps knuckle down and support him up to the next election (possibly if there is a snap election after the Tories select their leader) and if they lose then possibly a vote for a new leader then.

2 Will they break away to form a new party (splitting the Labour vote and more or less let the Tories in with a huge majority)

3 Will they be deselected and new members more to Jeremy Corbyns stance on austerity etc be put up for selection

I've avidly watched lots of interviews no-one has come up with
answer, all avoiding the question when asked

I personally think that they should be de-selected. But since when do politicians listen to party members?

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OK, Mark; close my account. I can't tolerate these restrictions.

Admin Note : Chris while posting those on your ignore list you are "Trolling" your posting for a reaction. While those on your ignore have been very tolerant towards your comments, you are in breach of our rules. These rules have always been in place forever and you have used the same rules im implementating back at you. Its not in the wiki spirit. Its also a huge waste of my time, cleaning up after such posts. And opening and closing your account at will, it all takes time. Come on Chris you do have alot of respect from so many members. If you want your account closed drop me a pm.

Sorry to see you go Chris, have I missed something or was your post deleted because you merely said you didn't care what other people thought?

I think it was because Chris didn't agree with the views of some wiki members and twice named those people he was going to put them on his ignore list instead of just pressing the ignore button without posting names.
Also said if his post was deleted he'd leave - which he's done.
I'll certainly miss him and his contributions he's made and could have made to the history section.

Discussions on politics and religion are often contentious

I think he takes things to seriously, its only a debate they cause differences of opinion without which life would be dull, I hope I have done nothing to offend him other than to be a member of the Labour party, I wish him the best.

Thanks for your good wishes, casper. The future of the country needs to be taken seriously. I've nothing against the Labour party, at least before Blair got at it: what I object to is ANY party being led by a buffoon, which Corbyn clearly is, although I daresay he's a perfectly genuine guy, just not a leader.

Here are some extracts from Angela Eagle's voting summary that I find concerning (I've highlighted some) :-

Generally voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas

Consistently voted for the Iraq war

Consistently voted against an investigation into the Iraq war

Generally voted for more EU integration

Voted a mixture of for and against a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU

Consistently voted against raising the threshold at which people start to pay income tax

Generally voted against higher taxes on alcoholic drinks

Generally voted against lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles

Generally voted against encouraging occupational pensions

Generally voted against higher taxes on banks

Voted a mixture of for and against measures to reduce tax avoidance

Generally voted for university tuition fees

Generally voted against a transparent Parliament

Almost always voted against local councils keeping money raised from taxes on business premises in their areas

Generally voted against allowing national security sensitive evidence to be put before courts in secret sessions

Generally voted against a statutory register of lobbyists

How often are the whips used to persuade mps to toe the party line.just because an mp votes a certain way doesnt always mean they agree.

Oh dear.

Cannon Fodder springs to mind. Gut feel Angela is being pushed forward just to see how deep the water is.

Was only a matter of time.....

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/jeremy-corbyn-supporters-hijack-angela-11600604

Was to be expected really.

I think the fact that there are 2 leadership challengers, Owen Smith and Angela Eagle (thus splitting the PLP vote) may mean that there may be a leak from the NEC saying that Jeremy Corbyn may have to get the required number of 51 mps to be in the running.
Wouldn't surprise me if this is the case, that if possible the really big hidden heavyweights will then throw their hats in the ring as contenders somehow

Angela Eagle's office windows bricked.

Phones had to be disconnected because of the constant abusive telephone calls.

Well done Wallasey, you're really showing your true colours and showing up the Wirral nationally.

That well and truly shows up the Corbyn supporters. Not a good advert for them or him either. How do these people always manage to shoot themselves in the foot ? Anyone who is likely to be a Corbyn supporter, will be highly unlikely to admit it. A bit like Farage supporters, who were blacklisted for so long because of hypocrisy and belittlement . Or the Tory supporters who have constantly been ridiculed for supposedly, supporting the 'posh' party.
Well, the boots on the other foot. What an absolute disgrace.

Or the Brexit racists

‘A frenzy of hatred’: how to understand Brexit racism
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...se-referendum-celebratory-lasting-damage

Well that's the militant socialists for you. It's all kettle and pot to me, nothing between the lot of them.

It's certainly beginning to take a dark turn , harking back to those terrible Hatten and co days. Do we really want to go back to all that? Angela Eagle having to have protection ,we all know what happened to Jo Cox we don't want another terrible incident . The worlds gone mad!

And we wonder why there are divisions in society.

This is not democratic!

"But there is good news for anti-Corbyn MPs. Non-Labour members wishing to vote in the contest this time will have to pay £25, not £3 as last time.

The ability to vote so cheaply in the election last time was regarded as part of why Corbyn won, with backers of more left wing parties able to influence the outcome.

Members must also have been in the party at least six months, disqualifying the tens of thousands who have joined in recent days"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...nec_uk_5784d0b2e4b00cb7b7ffcfaf?section=

Eagle, Benn and Kinnock have been encouraging £3 supporters to join up to oust JC - they should be done for lying. Snakes- the lot of them

Corbyns on the ballot paper

Maybe interesting to some: a way round the £25 fee

Very important information, Unite Community and the genius that is Len McCluskey, has opened up a £2.00 registered supporters scheme with Unite Community. Meaning to be a Registered Supporter you don't have to pay £25.00 and if you joined the Party after January 12th you can vote.
Send these Blairites a message and sign up en - masses and take back control of socialism and democracy within our party. Quite frankly the £25.00 act is Elitist, snobbery at its best.
What Unite have done is Socialism.
http://www.unitetheunion.org/growing-our-union/joinunite/
https://www.unitetheunion.org/…/unit…/your-party-your-voice/

Community branches are not just for the un-employed, working people can join too but would need to pay the full fees for workers rights protection.

P.M me for more info.

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I think its disgusting the way the labour party are going on about petty things.They should be all pulling together and showing an example not spitting dummys out at each other.
Who is going to vote for them if they behave like this.

Perhaps you could define 'petty things' and we can take it from there?



Yes!! Just like the Torys Dave-GONE, IDS-GONE, Gideon-GONE

Quite right, Snowy. They are simply not a party in opposition. I still think a new political party will arise from this and in the very near future.
Those who have resigned will not take a back seat, they are all far too entrenched in politics to let it pass them bye.

I absolutely agree, Granny. Corbyn and a very few of his extreme left-wing mates will be isolated.

They once called the Tories the "nasty party".

But with all this Eagle hate, in-fighting, refusing to stand down, and threats of legal challenges, and the weak way they dealt with the anti-Semitic abuse a couple of months ago, its clear who deserves that title now.

Their whole party is a mess and has been since they lost the election.

They're literally trapped. They have a leader who the public like (but don't know) and would probably vote for, but a party of MPs who don't like him.

At one time it would be bizarre to think of Labour splitting into two parties (although Scargill tried it with "Socialist Labour" and failed), but after this past month, anything could happen.

But even splitting into two won't work, it will just give them a smaller percentage of the vote come election time.

Corbyn needs to stand down for the good of the party. But he won't. He's arrogant and stubborn, and keeps reciting the old mantra "the country voted for me".

In any other job you get a 1 month or three month trial. If you can't do the job, you're out. Corbyn doesn't see this. And he only got the vote because the rest of the candidates were of Blair's "New Labour" era, and the country was sick of them and didn't want more of the same.

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Personally, I'd like to see most MP'S and MSM have a compulsory lie detector test done by a neutral source (and results published) when allegations are made and refuted, so we can tell who are telling porkies.
I don't trust liars, whether or not I support those making or refuting the allegations.
Having heard a lot of MPs who can't/won't answer direct yes/no questions without moving sideways with an answer that does nothing to answer the question, I think they may well be able to fool a lie detector test

A state of the art lie detector setup room could be set up in parliament

Derek, a person may not actually be a liar but can well be a Stranger to The Truth

I think the term they use is mislead,it sounds much more acceptable, after all one wouldn't be so crass as to lie.

You mean rebutted. To refute means to prove wrong with evidence.

Wrong dates, content removed.

I wish Corbyn would take a long walk off a short pier, and start searching for the 92 known nuclear bombs, that are lost at sea.

Good article here:


Jeremy Corbyn, Labour voters like me want a champion for British workers – not a sandal-wearing socialist with the charisma of an ageing Labrador
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...rkers-not-a-sandal-wearing-a7150601.html

Meanwhile, the recent voting intention poll:

Conservative 43% (+4)
Labour 27% (-2)
UKIP 13% (-1)
Liberal Democrat 8% (-1)
SNP 4% (nc)
Green 4% (nc)
Plaid Cymru 1% (nc)

Did you just read the headlines and not go through the comments. I trust you believe everything you read and see on mainstream media and the polls. We know they stick only to the truth and would never lie or twist the news.

Read the report by LSE CLICK

Just watched Owen Smith speech and it sounded very much like a speech that got Jeremy Corbyn elected as Labour leader. Just words until and if they get shut of JC then the neoliberals (look neoliberal up) would then take over again

Sample of media manipulation

Thanks for posting, Derek. Most interesting to see 'what we know' analysed.

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