I will NOT comply. That's my thoughts.

I think this is long overdue, outside every school you see parents waiting for anything up to half an hour with engines running. Makes no sense at all to me quite apart from the cost of the wasted fuel. It will of course be like the litter wardens with so few enforcers as to make little impact.

Pointless really . How many so called officers are they going to have patrolling. Personally doing the school crossings i dont see many who leave engines running as most get out the vehicles to meet little johnny at the school. Worst offenders if it really is an offence are the black cab drivers at the ranks. If i am correct its not an offence only if you actually get out the vehicle "quitting" with the engine running.

Noticed 9 cars on Green Lane and Bayswater Rd engines running when waiting to pick up there children from school, when I
walking dog . Probably will not get enforced.

It has always been an offence to leave a vehicle unattended with the engine running, but this new deal may be to do with air pollution, as written in previous posts it happens a lot outside schools, it is also annoying and hazardous to health to have radios blasting at full volume, one drives down our road to drop kids off at the childminder I am in the kitchen making a cuppa and I can hear the thump thump of the music right through to the back of the house, imagine what it must be like for the little uns strapped in the back.

The relevant bits of wording from the 2002 act are:-

"12.—(1) An authorised person who has reasonable cause to believe that the driver of a vehicle that is stationary on a road is committing a stationary idling offence may, upon production of evidence of his authorisation, require him to stop the running of the engine of that vehicle.

(2) A person who fails to comply with a requirement under paragraph (1) shall be guilty of an offence and be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale. "

So the fine-able offence is refusing to switch off your engine when asked to by an authorised person, this doesn't make it illegal to idle your car when stationary.

I can't find any reference to "stationary idling" in the often quoted Road Traffic Act 1988 section 42

That is a valid point salmon however what I do not agree with not being able to leave the engine running for two minutes whilst waiting for someone who has nipped into the shop thus resulting in a fine.

It is just another way of stealing from the public, more made up trash to get free money.

I think the key words are 'after being asked by an officer'. They might send someone to hot spots, but I very much doubt there will be blanket enforcement of any sort; they haven't the resources. Having said that, if I arrive early so I can find a convenient parking place to pick up my grandsons from school I wouldn't dream of leaving the engine running even in winter, though I've seen some who do.

I used to catch a bus at James St. in the morning. This seemed at the time to be a favourite place for the drivers to stop and buy a cuppa, but as often as not I was unable to even see my bus arriving thanks to a wall of empty buses - the engines ALL left running - and being simultaneously kippered in diesel fumes.

If the council can stop something similar happening to schoolchildren, then good on them. Maybe CCTV could be used to prosecute the stupid buggers and impose a hefty fine. £20 is far too little.

A Zafira burns about 3/4 of a litre of fuel when idling, and if you have the aircon on it goes up to 1.1 litres an hour. Remember those free plastic bags? They are about 50% made of oil and weigh about 4 grams. So sitting for 30 minutes wastes as much oil as 250 plastic bags.

Try vhttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/part/6/madeehicle emissions regulations 2002. 61 and 61a

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/1808/part/6/made#text%3D%22stationary%20idling%22

That's the bit I quoted in blue above, however there has to be an underlying act that specifies the "stationary idling offence", this is normally quoted as being the Road Traffic Act 1988 section 42, but both the original and modified versions of Section 42 don't make any reference to stationary idling offences.

How about the Taxis waiting by Birkenhead market, they sit there in a queue with their engines running for quite a while gassing every body who walks past, it can't be economic anyway never mind the fumes.

I can't work out why they do it, considering that modern diesel cars shut down the engine even when stopped for ten seconds at the lights. They do this to reduce fuel consumption, and it seems to be well worth doing too.

Hopefully, as the taxi drivers buy more intelligent cars the EMU will override their stupidity.

Loads of factors to take into account and many unrealistic or misleading figures stated on the internet (I've even seen claims you use more fuel at idle than driving at 30mph I presume the fiddle is because they compare stone cold idle against warmed up driving)

Another wild claim I've seen is that you can keep the car interior warm by switching off the engine, switching ignition on and putting the heater fan on.

Customers moan if the taxi isn't warm

Batteries go flat if loads of short journeys.

Pollution is minimal at idle compared to driving or starting.

Wear and tear through starting, temperature cycling etc.

Car technology.

Can you be charged? if the car is electric.

As there doesn't seem to be a legal definition of "stationary idling offence" then it could be anything. Some electric cars can idle though this would be an unusual event.

I live opposite a primary school, the kids come out at 3:30. However in the fight for the lazy carers to not have to walk too far to pick up their little darlings they begin to arrive from around 2:40.

Most of them sit with their engines running and you even get some with radio's blasting away.

Urban air pollution, particularly from diesel cars but it does cover all vehicles is a real issue for health - which is why the most modern vehicles have the auto start/stop function.

So in general it is a good idea - but how to enforce is a challenge.

Communication and education maybe a good option - and getting the school children to tell whoever is picking them up could be option.

No, the stop/start was mostly a propaganda and marketing exercise.

All modern cars are heavily reliant on the catalytic convertor (CAT) to reduce most of the pollutants. The CAT only works when it is up to full temperature which is around 426°C, the CAT is purely powered by the exhaust gases and actually increases the exhaust temperature.

As you can imagine, on switch off, at those sort of temperatures they cool down very fast to a level where they don't work, when you restart the car and drive off again, the CAT isn't working until it heats up again - you are now pumping out untreated exhaust pollution.

With the current regulations for new cars, emissions are absolutely minimal at idle with a warmed up engine and a heated up CAT, the cars are designed for optimal minimum emissions at idle, this process actually reduces the efficiency of the engine so more fuel is used than would be needed.

On a cold day with a cold car driving through a busy town, if stop/start was used there is a fair chance that the CAT would never get up to temperature and you are pumping out untreated exhaust pollution all the way.

Its a complicated subject.

I was going to make a new topic, however this topic has the main subject of pollution so i think this will be okay.

There are new rules for new cars registered after April 2018, i would like you to take a look at this and read it carefully.
More STEALING from the public, this will not affect me as i will never get a new car or one on finance, if i haven't got the money tough, i save for it but this will affect a lot of company's and the general population that like to buy new vehicles.

I would just like to quote the following which i have pulled from this report.....



Now they KNOW they will not confirm to standards from new, that confirms to me they are STEALING from people, ie: buy a new vehicle, we know it will not confirm to standards so we will make up this bull tax rule to STEAL more money from you anyway.

Anyroad, heres the link...

Clicky

Its just the media recycling old information.

There are loads of diesel cars that have Euro 6 rating of less than 80mg/km NOx which is a long way below the 120mg/km they mention for the £500 tax band.

Even some 4.2 litre Audi A8 Tdi models are less than 80mg/km

There are 2560 different diesel cars meet the Euro 6 spec according to the Vehicle Certification Agency in their August 2017 list.

Plenty of evidence of risk to vulnerable people http://indepth.nice.org.uk/no-idle-...-from-air-pollution-says-nice/index.html

"Road traffic" includes vans, 4WD, buses, mini-buses and lorries as well as older cars. If all road vehicles were at euro 6 car standard there would be hardly any pollution, especially if they don't include start/stop.

Just because there are more cars it doe3sn't mean they produce the most pollution.

Aside from that there are aeroplanes, ships, trains and industry producing a lot of pollution.