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Look out! We are being invaded!

Posted By: Excoriator

Look out! We are being invaded! - 29th Dec 2018 8:23pm

I see a 'Major Incident' has been declared, and the minister is cutting short his Christmas break in order to deal with this horrifying crisis.

"But who is invading us" you may well cry in alarm. "Is it the Luftwaffe? Panzer divisions? Communist forces led by the shirtless Putin? The Chinese hordes"

Well, no. Not quite.

Its 22 pathetic asylum seekers in a couple of sinking inflatables desperately trying to find somewhere to live. They are not alone of course. there have been a total of ...er...220 of them. So it clearly needs ministerial direction, the navy must be mobilised to repel this fearsome threat.

Little Englanders are, of course, unaware that people have every right to arrive here and request asylum. This is not an illegal activity, despite said Little E's enthusiasm for shoving 'illegal' before any occurrence of the words 'asylum seeker'. The UK signed up to this right of its own free will, for the very excellent reason that it is is the right thing to do. This simple principle seems to have been forgotten.

Not for the first time this government makes me ashamed to be British.
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 29th Dec 2018 10:35pm

Originally Posted by Excoriator
Little Englanders are, of course, unaware that people have every right to arrive here and request asylum. This is not an illegal activity, despite said Little E's enthusiasm for shoving 'illegal' before any occurrence of the words 'asylum seeker'.



Little Englanders obviously know their stuff unlike others, non-EU citizens are supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country they arrive in, there should be no asylum seekers travelling from France to the UK (unless they are French citizens and seeking asylum from France). Its called the Dublin Regulation.

Furthermore, EU countries that allow migrants to pass through them are committing an offence unless those people are under a visa-waiver program.
Posted By: Excoriator

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 2:28am

"non-EU citizens are supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country they arrive in"

No they are not. That is an EU rule, not an internationally agreed one. I thought you disagreed with the EU and its rules anyway.

But irrespective of the legal niceties. I reckon these people would be welcomed by me and most decent brits.

You forget that the UK is not able to sustain its population. Fertility is about 1.9 children per woman. We need people. Perhaps your objection is that they are not WASPS?

But to pretend that this is a 'Major Incident' would be laughable if it didn't reveal the depths of sheer nastiness our country seems to have descended to.
Posted By: keef666

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 4:31am

If these people are genune and in fear of their lives, i would be the first to help, but most are not and think the UK a soft touch, and that's why i voted out!
Posted By: casper

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 9:37am

Originally Posted by keef666
If these people are genune and in fear of their lives, i would be the first to help, but most are not and think the UK a soft touch, and that's why i voted out!


And I think a good percentage of those that voted to leave did so for the same reasons, immigration, but if we leave will we lose the cooperation of the French?
Posted By: granny

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 10:54am

Understanding why so many Iranians are arriving across from the channel, has probably been explained as an extension to Serbia's invitation of visa-free travel to Iranians, in an attempt to improve tourism in the country.

The policy has now stopped, being abolished in October, as Serbia (or someone else ) saw it becoming an avenue for many Iranians to permanently locate to Europe.

Maybe this government reaction is preferable rather than to become overrun. Nipping it in the bud could save a lot of tears later for tourists who thought they could catch the last water bus to their new home. Serbia obviously had the mafia ready and waiting for transportation , which brings about the possibility(fact) that the Mafia run a lot of things in Europe !


https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/11/26/iranian-migrants-used-visa-free-serbia-to-enter-eu

The numbers of Iranians who have entered Belgrade during this period vary between 15,000 and 40,000.

It is not clear how many Iranians remained behind in Europe, but anecdotal evidence suggests that flights from Iran had been arriving to Serbia full and departing the country empty. Serbian police estimated that 12,000 never returned, according to the BBC report.



Posted By: Excoriator

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 1:59pm

Overrun?

What on earth are you babbling about?

Overrun by a few dozen?

You can call it racism, xenophobia, selfishness, paranoia and a lot of other things, but I will stick to simply laughing at it as the obvious bollocks it is, irrespective of motivation.
Posted By: granny

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 2:14pm

OK, so you are in favour of illegal immigrants in their numbers. You must be in favour of criminal activities as they are not abiding by laws, They are illegal immigrants. SO we now know what your view is on criminality.. very strange, taking into consideration many of your posts on various other subjects of criminality in the past.
maybe you are just in favour of foreign criminals being excused . Another unfortunate side to your 'I'm alright Jack, how about you ' ?
Maybe you like the idea of people being kept in 'centre's' or the possibility of them being mown down by a passing cargo vessel, that is unable to stop for an invisible little dinghy.

I suggest you consider the illegal migrants in Italy, Greece and Spain all acceptable , and a great way for criminal gangs to make masses of money which is fed into the terrorists networks. Same as all the charities that were operating during the Iraqi and Syrian wars. I hope you didn't give them all your ' beautiful ' money Ex, most of them were run by terrorists , funding their end game.

But,, illegal is GOOD, in your mind..



Posted By: Moonstar

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 30th Dec 2018 3:54pm

Should a country, any country, be able to function in all respects from its own resources. I always thought so but no longer think this is the case. So - when your supply lines are cut what do you do?

We were sold out years ago and now exist through the 'company store'. Not a glowing future is it.
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 12:34am

Here are an interesting pair of paragraphs:-

England is the most densely populated country in the EU.

The population of the UK has continued to rise despite the birthrate per woman being under 2.0 since 1973.
Posted By: fish5133

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 1:26am

why do they allegedly want to build 12000 new homes on wirral? if uk is not able to sustain its population ?
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 2:34am

Need more houses because the population is still increasing, partly due to people living longer and partly due to immigration.

They have no idea how many EU nationals have moved here though it is conservatively estimated at nearly four million which would be about 6% of our population. The figure could be wildly underestimated, non-working people (including kids, partners etc) can end up totally under the radar.
Posted By: granny

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 11:10am

We have almost 8 million more people in UK since 1990. Governments didn't keep abreast of the issues that would arise from the increase until it was almost impossible.

Live births to mothers born outside the UK has increased from 11.6% in 1990 to 27% by 2014.

Germany Population: 82.29 million

UK population 2018 : 66,573,504

France Population : 65,233,271

Italy Population : 59,290,969

Poland Population: 37.97 million
Spain Population: 46.57 million
Portugal Population 10,291,196
Greece Population 11,142,161

Only Germany has more people than we do. So if they don't have enough for the workforce it would indicate that they are the greatest industrialised country and exporters and by far exceed all other EU countries . They've done well and almost succeeded in the original mission they set out to do in the 1800's and again in the 1900's..
Greece for example has only increased by 1 million since 1970. I find that extraordinary.. Countries with smaller populations , part of the EU and still being kept in virtual poverty. It tends to blow up the theory that countries will be better off if they join the EU. Of course, Germany exports more to Greece than Greece exports to Germany, so that's a control feature for Germany's future and the same applies to many more.
I see Merkel (in her New Year speech) intends for Germany to play a far greater roll in International politics.

https://www.euronews.com/2018/12/31/merkel-vows-greater-international-role-for-germany-in-2019?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3a+euronews%2fen%2fnews+(euronews+-+news+-+en)

Maybe she's committing to Agenda 21. (I think that, at the end of the day means more Sustainable Development and 'Depopulation' as defined by the UN in 1990's ! ) Has this not happened before ????

I don't seem able to put the link up
Posted By: Excoriator

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 2:12pm

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Here are an interesting pair of paragraphs:-

England is the most densely populated country in the EU.

The population of the UK has continued to rise despite the birthrate per woman being under 2.0 since 1973.


The first paragraph is bollocks. The Netherlands and Belgium have higher population densities than the UK. And If you consider the Channel Islands and Gibraltar as countries they are more densely populated than the UK. In fact the UK is about 50th in about 230 countries ordered by population density. Basically, the UK is far from the 'Overcrowded Island" that most dim brexiteers claim it is. There is plenty of room for more, actually.

The second paragraph is probably correct, and doesn't worry me in the slightest. Without immigration, the population would fall, and that will create a lot of difficulties which our government is ill-equipped to deal with. For a start, an ageing population is less productive making our products more expensive on the world market. Secondly, the falling population means that the value of money grows. Sounds great that you can make money by hiding it under the mattress, but the effect is that it stifles investment - why risk your money to make it grow when it grows itself? Production as well as productivity suffers. There are also social problems. Care of the elderly is already a big problem in our society and it will get worse as more old people need care and there are fewer people young enough to do the caring.

The long and short of it is we should welcome immigrants, not organise ships to keep them out. Xenophobes and racists should find better excuses to support their views.
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 3:39pm

I said England not UK, also Malta has a higher population density but generally the smaller islands/countries are ignored.

Numerous newspapers/media stated we had overtaken Netherlands last year, but I now see they were using contemporary figures for England and stats over a decade old for Netherlands. I didn't think they would lie on such a matter and took the headlines as stated - I really should know better and will award myself with ten lashes.

We are ahead of Belgium.

An ageing workforce shouldn't matter too much, we should be automating more things. We should be looking to reducing working hours and reducing working life unless you accept the premise that we are effectively born to be slaves.
Posted By: Kieran1981

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 1st Jan 2019 5:38pm

Iran had visa free travel with Serbia for one year to promote tourism. It was scrapped in October 2018 because planes full of Iranians landing in Serbia were always flying back empty. It is those people who are now arriving on our borders.
Posted By: granny

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 2nd Jan 2019 1:07am



At the moment they are the ones who seem to be crossing the English Channel. They aren't the impoverished village people , they are paying big money to get here. If they were in any real distress they could have applied for asylum in any one of the EU countries, and specifically France, as that is where they are coming from.
To call people racist because they are concerned a) for the wellbeing of people in little boats crossing the channel, or b) for understanding that we are not here to pick up the fall out from problems that US have caused in this world, is quite simply a cop- out and undeniable inability to give a reasoned response as to why we (UK) should provide for anyone who wished to land here illegally.

The Iraqi's who have come to UK and do the car washes, aren't free even now. They have gang masters and work in all weathers, early til late every day. The asylum seekers (women) who sell the Big Issue, and travel all the way from Liverpool every day to stand outside Sainsbury's in rain, hail wind and snow and intense heat this last summer, are not free they have gang masters ! Are these the jobs that our own people are criticized for not doing ?

I would like to mention that there are a lot of badly messed up kids in Syria today and probably Iraq too. These children have seen so much and heard so much they are now re-enacting and battering to death , mutilating and injuring animals in their streets. There is an obvious lack of emotions apart from anger. They will need intense therapy and one wonders how many adults need it too ! Another drain on the NHS , Ex , if they come here ? Somehow I don't think they will, they are the ones who were trapped but are also the future generation, which is worrying. Invading Iraq, released a monster in the whole region !
Posted By: casper

Re: Look out! We are being invaded! - 2nd Jan 2019 9:35am

They should be returned to France asap and make their application from there, or put on a plane back from whence they came, as you quite rightly say they are not genuine asylum seekers, but abusers of the system the same as the 25 year old school boy, the vast majority we see on the news are well fed well dressed young men not women and children,sorry but I have no sympathy.
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