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Posted By: Mark Paris attack 12 Dead - 7th Jan 2015 10:29pm
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The UK will work closely with French authorities following the Paris terror attack, Downing Street has said.

The PM's spokesman said David Cameron was being regularly updated and would receive a full security briefing on Wednesday evening.

Mr Cameron condemned the "barbaric" shootings at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine, in which at least 12 people were killed.

The Queen has offered "sincere condolences" to victims and families.

Speaking at a press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Downing Street, Mr Cameron said the two leaders had been briefed by MI5 and MI6 on the attack.

Home Secretary Theresa May will chair a meeting of the emergency Cobra committee on Thursday.

The UK and German leaders spoke to French President Francois Hollande by phone and offered whatever assistance was needed.

Prime Minister's Questions opened with statements about the killings, with Mr Cameron and Labour leader Ed Miliband vowing to defend democracy and press freedom.

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Posted By: cools Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 7th Jan 2015 10:48pm
What a cowardly despicable act! Hope they find them.i get very depressed over the way the worlds going!
Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 8th Jan 2015 12:11am
Originally Posted by cools
What a cowardly despicable act! Hope they find them.i get very depressed over the way the worlds going!


Feel the same Cools.. but I thought it was stated earlier that they have been found.

One wonders what solution the French and others will try to adopt now and if it will work.
Posted By: fish5133 Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 8th Jan 2015 10:03am
a comment I copied from a few people ranting at each other. Which may help us to be balanced in our condemnation (or maybe not) Don't agree with it all

Who started WW1? Not the muslims!
Who started WW2? Not the muslims!
Who murdered 6 million European jews? Not the muslims!
Who murdered 20 million aborigines? Not the muslims!
Who nuked Horoshima and Nagasaki? Not the muslims!
Who murdered millions of North American Indians and stole their land? Not the muslims!
Who murdered 50 million South American Indians? Not the muslims!
Who murdered and crippled a million Indians in Bhopal via 1984 Union Carbide leak? Not the muslims!
Who took 180 million Africans as slaves, of whom 88% died and their bodies were thrown into the Atlantic ocean? Not the muslims!

All of these atrocities were committed by white caucasians/christians. In fact, the most heinous brutalities throughout history have always been perpetrated by christians and jews. So spare me your delusions of grandeur and define terrorism properly. If a non-muslim does it, then it is justified as 'collateral damage' and 'self defence' but if a muslim is even suspected (or falsely accused) of terrorism, then all muslims are immediately labelled as terrorists and tortured by racist bigots and war mongers like yourself. So first remove the racist double standard and then come to the point.

Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 8th Jan 2015 2:16pm
Whoever wrote that surely doesn't condemn these atrocious acts that are happening now.
We've hopefully moved on since the dark ages, but they obviously haven't and although certain groups would wish to make all this out to be a 'religious war', comments like that add fuel to any fire. So they are guilty too of agitating a situation.
Many muslim and other faith groups, Jewish etc. have been born in France, and UK , but many have come to Europe with a view to something better than what they had. If it's not what they expect, they are free to leave but I do not see why we should be bending over backwards to accommodate , when we are open to a constant barrage of criticism and change of our own identity as a country. Someone somewhere is trying inflame all of this now, and I also believe they will be successful, unless the antagonists shut up.
We are trying as a world in the global arena to work together, but for this problem of now and the terror that is going on in the middle east, the Israeli hatred of the Palestinians , Syria and it's influx of ISIS, etc. is all causing untold misery to millions, so no body has the right to call other nations for their past atrocities at this moment in time.
I wonder if we were faced with the dreadful sequence of events in this country, as they have in the middle east, what would we do ?

Posted By: casper Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 8th Jan 2015 7:19pm
First and foremost we are all human beings,young children play together they know nothing of religion or the colour of someones skin they take as they find the person not his/her beliefs, the problem occurs when extremism poisons their minds, I do have concerns as granny says about people arriving here and demanding that we change our culture to accommodate them and their customs and beliefs,I do not understand a religion that calls for non believers to be executed or that those who dont conform fully should be punished, some of their imams say this not the case, but others interprit it differently, how can a religion be so ambiguous? why are they so eager to take offence? If christianity followed the same lines there would be bodies all over the place.
Posted By: fish5133 Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 8th Jan 2015 7:48pm
Think it was the Mirror or another news article saying it was the worst atrocity in Europe for 50 years or something like that---conveniently forgot about (non muslim) Anders Brevik massacre of all those children.
Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 1:29am
and The Munich massacre .An attack during the 1972 Summer Olympics in Munich, West Germany, on eleven Israeli Olympic team members, who were taken hostage and eventually killed, along with a German police officer, by the Palestinian group Black September.

Hungerford Massacre 1987

Bosnia
In a five-day orgy of slaughter at Srebrenica in July 1995, up to 8,000 Muslims were systematically exterminated in what was described at the U.N. war crimes tribunal as "the triumph of evil."

Dunblane Massacre 1996

Sometimes I think that these columnists are young graduates, and who have little knowledge about much other than their own birth date.
Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 1:51pm
Bloody hell ! Another one in Paris. Gunman holding hostages in Supermarket.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30740115
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 4:27pm
breaking news on RT- both charlie hebdo suspects dead.
Posted By: Dilly Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 4:55pm
Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
breaking news on RT- both charlie hebdo suspects dead.

lets hope they died in pain.
Posted By: Vanmanone Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 5:37pm
I've been following this all afternoon, ...They say we are next,lets hope that with all our CCTV surveillance and good Policing put a stop to all this "nonsense" before it kicks off again here.
Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 6:18pm
There's another one just coming through at a jewellery shop in southern France !!!
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 6:38pm
All this because they've been mocked.

I don't understand how people have a right to mock the jihads or whatever they're called yet cannot have freedom of speech on other subjects?

It doesn't make sense?

So in the news they've said they will carry on mocking the jihads, isn't that provoking the situation worse?
Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 7:08pm
For once Ste I actually have similar views smile

We are not allowed to mock so many things now, and quite rightly, but it would appear to be ok to mock Mohammed ,who in Islam is held in great esteem. It is a great insult to Islamists to have that happen. So yes, why would anyone wish to continue with this so called 'freedom of speech'? France of course has a very strong anti-Semitic ,and anti-muslim sentiment, to the point that thousands of Jews are leaving France, one of the largest Jewish populations in Europe.
There are things going on that we know little of. A friend of mine who is Jewish used to send emails (these round robin type things) that are extremely disrespectful to the Muslims in general trying to build up a hate factor. So they must be circulated all over the world.
It makes me quite angry, so he doesn't anymore. With that, if we did the same sending anti-Semitic stuff, we would be in big trouble.
Therefore why, as you say, is there a section of people publicly allowed to display such disrespectful and taunting material?
Posted By: fish5133 Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 9th Jan 2015 7:17pm
The radical preacher Abu Hamza - a man who told his followers that they had to train in order to “bleed the enemy” – has been jailed for life amid reports one of his senior aides had links to a suspect in the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

The US had been readying for the sentencing of Hamza, accused of waging a “global war of jihad against those he considered infidels” and who was convicted last year of trying to establish an al-Qaeda training camp within the US.

The 56-year-old Hamza, whose full name is Mustafa Kamel Mustafa, was sentenced in New York on Friday. The hearing was held amid reports that the security services believe of the suspects in the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris was mentored by an associate of Hamza from the late 1990s.
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 11th Jan 2015 2:31pm
Rupert Murdoch thinks all Muslims should apologise for terrorism. So on behalf of white people I'd like to apologise for Rupert Murdoch.
Posted By: granny Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 11th Jan 2015 3:13pm
Careful Rude, there are many white Muslims, as there are black Jews and black Christians, but right, he needs to hold his tongue.

Not sure what this march will achieve, other than give those who commit terror atrocities exactly what they are hoping for .Right or wrong,it seems somewhat challenging , in my opinion.
Posted By: casper Re: Paris attack 12 Dead - 11th Jan 2015 3:42pm
People tend to stick to their own kind, the Welsh, Scots and Irish or for that matter the scousers or any other people you wish to mention will seek out their countrymen or regional dialects its human nature, the clan or the tribe mentality, the problem arises when they believe their clan or culture is above the rest, I read an article by a muslim lad brought up here as to why he felt he didnt belong here, and he said it was mainly to do with his own culture a very strict muslim upbringing arranged marriage stay within your own culture, and he became resentful of others who had the freedoms he did not and that other cultures were decadent and wrong, so the will was to change the other cultures to what he believed was the right one, he now sees that this was wrong.
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