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Originally Posted by granny
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How about someone purposefully tanning themselves either naturally or artificially? Same thing?


No it's not, because our skin goes naturally brown in the sun. Yours might not, some people go lobster colour, but generally they will at some point have a tanned skin of one degree or another .


By "artificially" I meant either by fake-tan or sunbeds, neither of those could be called the slightest bit natural. It is intentionally changing the colour of the skin by artificial means, the same as Jackson did.

What's the difference between fake-tan and face-blackening?

(you may guess where I am heading next)

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Afraid this stuff eventually gives me a horrible headache. I work on the principle of folk being good people to know - or not - what packaging they come in doesn't matter.

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Well it appears saying or writing white lives matter could soon be illegal, according to some of the press, this is related to the aircraft flying a banner, a spokesman said blm has a legitimate cause due to the historical abuse and victimisation of black people and the response of wlm is a rejection of that message which makes it far right and racist, mmm.

As much as I dislike the Tories I have to agree with Dominic Raab on taking the knee, the working class have spent a lifetime trying to get off their knees, all this is being agitated by football and sport, it looks like we are are racist if we say wlm or refuse to kneel, as Moonstar said you take people for who they are as a person not what colour they are.

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Originally Posted by mikeeb
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Are there any black people on Wikiwirral who could give us their opinions on this topic?
Well said Fidelio. It is obvious no black person has commented as of yet.


1 You make assumptions.
2 They aren’t at your beck and call
3 Why should they identify themselves?


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
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Are there any black people on Wikiwirral who could give us their opinions on this topic?
Well said Fidelio. It is obvious no black person has commented as of yet.

1 You make assumptions.
2 They aren’t at your beck and call
3 Why should they identify themselves?

1, Yes we make assumptions.
2, No one said they are.
3, No one said they should.
4, If there are any black wiki members, we would like to hear their views. It is not a demand DD.

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The Justice Secretary, Robert Buckland confirmed that the government is looking to introduce designated laws design to protect memorials and target those who vandalise them.

Members of Parliament are set to put forward proposed legislation this week.

Robert Buckland said there is ‘no justification’ for writing political slogans on the statue of Winston Churchill or climbing atop the Cenotaph to burn the Union Jack.

MPs are pushing for new legislation to state that those who vandalise memorials specifically should receive a sentence of up to 10 years.

The Justice Secretary said: “This means that a vandal who breaks into a cemetery and destroys 9 headstones worth £500 each can only be sentenced to 3 months imprisonment. This can’t be right, especially when so many of our memorials are modest and of little monetary value. But they clearly have enormous symbolic value, which is not something that can be measured in pounds, shillings and pence.”


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Nooooo, don’t introduce yet another segmented law, just change the sentencing on the existing laws.


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It's all okay now the police have investigated and no offence has been committed re the banner, the police investigated, really it is getting so ridiculous, reading some comments online allegedly made by a member of the police force, they have been advised to show solidarity with blm by taking the knee, this is not mandatory but those that don't could affect the health and safety of themselves and those with them at any disturbances, it could also affect their
chances of promotion, sounds about right, it reminds me days gone by, those that don't wish to attend church parade, grab a brush and shovel and fall in over there.

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They couldn't possibly to come to any other conclusion about the banner. Legally "black lives matter" and "white lives matter" are identical terms, they can't prosecute one without being forced into prosecuting the other.

This is a win and a loss, the win is the equality, the loss is that both expressions are racist and yet apparently legal.

There is nothing wrong with saying "Lives Matter" or "George Floyd's Life Mattered" but as soon as you are segregating by the colour of skin, that is racist .... or at least what is called "racist" which usually is not the case, the colour of your skin does not govern your race nor your ethnicity.

The authorities are perpetuating racism and other discrimination by using terms like BAME, LGBT etc etc. Drop all these terms so all can be treated equally and have the same protection in law.

We have the same problem in education where certain groups are identified as under-performing - how discriminatory is that!!!! All under-performing students should be treated equally.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
They couldn't possibly to come to any other conclusion about the banner. Legally "black lives matter" and "white lives matter" are identical terms, they can't prosecute one without being forced into prosecuting the other.

This is a win and a loss, the win is the equality, the loss is that both expressions are racist and yet apparently legal.

There is nothing wrong with saying "Lives Matter" or "George Floyd's Life Mattered" but as soon as you are segregating by the colour of skin, that is racist .... or at least what is called "racist" which usually is not the case, the colour of your skin does not govern your race nor your ethnicity.

The authorities are perpetuating racism and other discrimination by using terms like BAME, LGBT etc etc. Drop all these terms so all can be treated equally and have the same protection in law.

We have the same problem in education where certain groups are identified as under-performing - how discriminatory is that!!!! All under-performing students should be treated equally.


Well put DD, all these groups scream out me, me, me, all desire special treatment, a place at the front of the queue, the more fuss they make about wanting to be accepted, wanting to fit in the more conspicuous they make themselves, being outrageous and flouncing about with their arse hanging out of their trousers doesn't sit with the I want be accepted.

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Prince Harry is jumping on the band waggon.. obviously under instruction. She probably thinks this will be their forte in life now. Pretty fast moving career she's having, acting, public speaking, voice overs, politics (wants to be President or married to one ??) story time and BLM.
She must be drawing in the $ millions .... and I don't think.

Harry backs move to ban 'Sweet Lo, Sweet Chariot ' song at England Rugby matches !

I think he's a lost soul or he's lost the plot atm. They're trying very hard to keep their names in lights but seem to be getting overshadowed by William and Kate, which in all honesty is probably a PR job.
Unfortunately , every time Harry hits the headlines, there's another reason why he's digging a bigger hole , and will soon fall in head first when nobody is looking or listening.
I thought Royalty were not allowed to be political, and this certainly is political . He is still a Prince at the end of each day.


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From one discriminatory event to another, its Pride day tomorrow.


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From one discriminatory event to another, its Pride day tomorrow.

No doubt more mass gatherings planned, makes you think there is no lock down at all.
Raves, BLM protests, beaches heaving and Liverpool fans going mental.
The gatherings will continue if the police cannot do anything about it. Let's face it, lock down is 'unofficially' over.

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Reading comments on social media re the Liver buildings, apparently the fireworks were fired at the buildings, because Everton were associated with them in some way and the colours red white and blue displayed for forces day were mistaken by the morons for Everton support if you have seen the video the rockets are aimed at the blue part, so now we have another case for discrimination, simple minded supporters calling anyone who dare criticise events as blue shite perhaps it should mean blue lives matter.

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Originally Posted by casper
simple minded supporters calling anyone who dare criticise events as blue shite perhaps it should mean blue lives matter.

Hahaha! Nice one Casper. Blue lives matter indeed, hahaha!

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