Hello - does anyone know anything about the Zieglers in Oxton? I've seen records of Alexander C Ziegler who I think lived on Talbot Road, Laura Ziegler who was married to William H Ziegler who lived on Bidston Road - William is buried in Flaybricks. I'm interested in finding out about where they came from, what they did and where they lived - does anyone know anything about them? I found an entry on ancestry but the name is spelt ZieglAr and I'm not sure if that's either correct or the same person.....?
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Jemima
William Henry Ziegler
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 8 Jun 1882
Marriage Place New York, Pennsylvania, USA
Church Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church
Laura Hamilton Paton
According to the 1891 census, William was born Woodchurch and Laura, born Canada. Transcription, ZieglAr is wrong.
I suspect he is the son of William Henry Ziegler, a Farmer in Landican.
Marriage,
ZIEGLER William H, HASTINGS Mary 1846 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool
ZIEGLER William Henry, mothers maiden name, HASTINGS 1856 Woodchurch Wirral
Name William Henry Zeigler
Gender Male
Birth Date 20 Apr 1820
Birth Place Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Baptism Place Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Residence Date 1820
Residence Place Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father, John Zeigler,
Mother, Jane Smollet
Mary Zeigler died October, 1908, mentioned in her Probate, Alexander C Zeigler, Cotton Merchant.
Thank you, Bert. I have William H. Ziegler as being born in Woodchurch in 1857, but on his grave stone it says 1856 (5th July), he's buried in Flaybrick. His death is written on his tomb as 1896. I know he married Laura Hamilton Paton who was from Ontario I believe, they were married in New York. Then I have an entry for John Hasting Ziegler who was born in July 1851 and died in Birkenhead 31st October 1927.
I also have a record of Alexander C Ziegler born in 1884 - was he William's son do you think?
Where do you access the censuses? Is it via Ancestry?
Yes Ancestry but there are other places that are useful.
Alexander Caryl Zeigler, born 1883 Birkenhead, mothers maiden name, Evastaphiev.
Parents, John Hasting Zeigler, Charlotte C Evastaphiev.
Charlotte was born in the USA and I assume they married over there.
Name Miss Charlotta Eustaphieve
Gender Female
Residence Date Abt 1879
Residence Place Providence , R. I.
Marriage Date 5 Apr 1879
Marriage Place Niagara street
Spouse, J Hastings Zeigler
When I used to go to Shaftesbury Boys Club in Birkenhead one of the 'houses' there was called Ziegler
1891
Aspinall dies and is replaced as President in the following year by J. H. Ziegler, a cotton broker who is one of the club's benefactors.
When I used to go to Shaftesbury Boys Club in Birkenhead one of the 'houses' there was called Ziegler
1891
Aspinall dies and is replaced as President in the following year by J. H. Ziegler, a cotton broker who is one of the club's benefactors.
The very same as above Derek, married to Charlotte.
That's interesting, I haven't heard of the Shaftesbury Boys Club - whereabouts was that, and when did you go? I wonder where the Zieglers came from and how they were all related - they seemed to live in various roads such as Cearns, Grosvenor, Shrewsbury, Bidston and Talbot. So, Aspinall died and J H Ziegler replaced him in 1891? So, in terms of the various family members of the Zieglers I have:
William Henry Ziegler - born in 1856/7 - died in 1896 - was married to Laura Paton Hamilton who apparently lived at no. 54 Bidston Road for a while.
John Hasting Ziegler - born in 1851 - married Charlotte Evastaphiev - WAS JOHN BROTHER TO WILLIAM?
Alexander C Ziegler - born 1883, Charlotte Ziegler - born 1886, John Hasting Ziegler - born 1889 and Edith Ziegler - born 1890 - so all children of John H Ziegler Snr and Charlotte Evastaphiev?
Did William and Laura have children does anyone know? Also, quite a coincidence that both William and John married North Americans.
Children born between 1700-1850, (Scotlands People)
Surname Forename Parents/Other details Gender Birth Date Parish Number Ref Parish
ZEIGLER
WILLIAM HENRY
JOHN ZEIGLER/JANE SMOLLET FR64 (FR64)
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20/04/1820
685 / 2
330 / 102
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ZEIGLER
SMOLLETT RANKI
ALEXANDER ZEIGLER/ANN ZEIGLER FR111 (FR111)
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28/05/1821
685 / 2
330 / 196
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ZEIGLER
ALEXANDER
WILLIAM ZEIGLER/ANN HOUDEN FR3304 (FR3304)
M
15/07/1796
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120 / 228
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ALEXANDER
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKIN FR3347 (FR3347)
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05/02/1798
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GEORGE
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLETT RANKINE FR3713 (FR3713)
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30/06/1809
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JAMES
ALEXANDER ZEIGLER/ANN DOUGLAS FR8529 (FR8529)
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03/08/1766
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320 / 107
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JOHN
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKIN FR3516 (FR3516)
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15/06/1803
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ANN
WILLIAM ZEIGLER/ANN HOWDON FR3154 (FR3154)
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27/11/1792
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110 / 516
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ZEIGLER
JANE SMOLLET
JOHN ZEIGLER/JANE SMOLLET RANKINE FR3874 (FR3874)
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09/10/1813
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JANET
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLETT RANKIN FR3794 (FR3794)
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02/11/1811
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JANET
WILLIAM ZEIGLER/ANN HOWDEN FR3250 (FR3250)
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29/09/1794
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JANET CLEGHORN
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKINE FR4028 (FR4028)
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12/08/1817
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ZEIGLER
MARJORY
JOHN ZEIGLER/JEAN SMOLLET RANKEN FR3301 (FR3301)
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02/06/1796
685 / 2
120 / 223
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ZEIGLER
ALEXANDER
ANNE ZEIGLER/FR5909 (FR5909)
15/05/1819
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200 / 225
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JOHN
JEAN SMOLLET/FR4363 (FR4363)
25/06/1795
685 / 3
160 / 122
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ANNE
ALEXANDER ZEIGLER/FR5909 (FR5909)
15/05/1819
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ZEIGLER
CHARLOTTE
ROBERT THOMSON/FR2235 (FR2235)
05/02/1795
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520 / 185
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Children of William Henry Ziegler and Laura Hamilton Paton.
All with surname Ziegler and mothers maiden name, Paton.
Guy Hamilton, 1883, New York, USA.
Alice Mary, 1888, Birkenhead
Ralph Paton, 1890, Birkenhead.
Frances Isabel Hamilton, 1891, Birkenhead.
Marjory Hastings, 1894, Birkenhead.
I suspect he is the son of William Henry Ziegler, a Farmer in Landican.
Marriage,
ZIEGLER William H, HASTINGS Mary 1846 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER Jane Smollett HASTINGS 1849 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1851
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER John Hastings HASTINGS 1851 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1853
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER Alexander Charles HASTINGS 1853 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER William Henry HASTINGS 1856 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1858
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER Mary HASTINGS 1858 Woodchurch Wirral
Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1861
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At
ZIEGLER George William HASTINGS 1861 Woodchurch Wirral
Also, quite a coincidence that both William and John married North Americans.
Both Cotton Merchants, no doubt both doing business in the states.
That's brilliant, thank you! So Jane and William had William Junior and John Hastings in 1856 and 1851.
That's brilliant, thank you! So Jane and William had William Junior and John Hastings in 1856 and 1851.
No, William Henry, 1856 and John Hastings, 1851, had these parents,
Marriage,
ZIEGLER William H, HASTINGS Mary 1846 Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool
Here is a short tree,
John Ziegler married Jane Smollet, 1795
William henry Ziegler their son married Mary Hastings, 1846
All their children are above, post, 1085484
The Shaftesbury Boys Club when it was the juniors entrance in Jackson st and the seniors entrance in Thomas st.
It is now split up, one part being the House of Pain and another part used to be the Atmosphere club.Building is still standing
new club built
Shaftesbury Youth Club
60 Mendip Road, Birkenhead
Possibly they may have pics of past presidents.
I do know they have a brass plaque with the names of past presidents
on it 0151 608 7165?
Thank you so much for sending this. :-)
Thank you, Derek - that's really interesting - I remember Atmosphere nightclub! I'll give them a ring and maybe head down there in the week. :-)