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Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia.

Posted By: fish5133

Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 20th Apr 2017 11:00pm

Worrying sign from Russia. Courts have ruled them as extremists..hitler did the same....

Having done some extensive study about "the organisation" during my own enlightenment period i would only see them as extremely misguided. Often mostly sincere people who at some time either fell out with mainstream christian faiths or got suckered in by the friendly adherants knocking on a door. The watchtower and awake magazines use a clever brainwashing technique of strawman arguements and then providing a false answer.which has the effect of making you feel what they say is correct.like a lot of religous organisations they have had sex abuses covered up by their hierarchy.
This russian persecution will be used by their organisation to "prove they are in the truth" trotting out the same old bible verses that speak about persecution.

That said it is a worrying move by the russian courts.
Posted By: granny

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 21st Apr 2017 1:22am


Accused of being extremists ! Karl Marx did the same according to the Washington Post, and sent one group to Siberia. Although I can't agree with their certain teaching and practices to be followed, it's a bit harsh. Maybe I'm missing something ?
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After six days of hearings, the Supreme Court sided with the government on Thursday. They ruled that the group's St. Petersburg headquarters and 395 churches could be seized and liquidated. All church activities, including worship and door-to-door evangelizing, were banned. Those who defy the ruling face a fine of several thousand dollars and six to 10 years in prison."

Posted By: casper

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 21st Apr 2017 6:34pm

The word liquidate sends shivers, visions of dark cellars and execution squads.
Posted By: _Ste_

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 21st Apr 2017 9:28pm

Good!

All religion should be outlawed!
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 21st Apr 2017 10:53pm

Religion is a complicated thing it means a lot of different to people

you have your

1. (Theists believe in the existence of a god or gods

2. ( An atheist doesn’t believe in a god or divine being

3. (an agnostic neither believes nor disbelieves in a god or religious doctrine. Agnostics assert that it’s impossible for human beings to know anything about how the universe was created and if divine beings exist)

4 ( a deist believes in God. But a deist believes that while God created the universe, natural laws determine how the universe plays out.

Deists are often connected to Isaac Newton’s Clockwork Universe theory, where the universe is compared to a clock that has been wound up and set in motion by God but is governed by the laws of science.

I myself think there's something that started to all off I just can't get my head around the big bang then life begins (what made the big bang if nothing was there? I'm not saying there's a god
but I do find I pray when family are sick, I think it's help as you're talking it gets your worries off your mind.

what I find funny is that the atheist shout the loudest about Religion pray bowdown
Posted By: fish5133

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 12:06am

Originally Posted by _Ste_
Good!

All religion should be outlawed!


I am not sure what you would have instead...a "belief" that God doesn't exist. atheism becomes the new religion?
Posted By: palemoon

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 6:28am

There is no need to have anything instead. Just lead a good and honest life without the belief in anything supernatural.
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 7:50am

I'm confused Ste maybe you can clear this up, you say there's no religion eg God, but you go on ghost hunts and you've put pictures up showing what you believe are ghosts how does this work?

Ps not having a go I'm just confused smile
Posted By: casper

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 8:34am

I think I am a Church of England agnostic confused confused dot com.
Posted By: palemoon

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 9:14am

Originally Posted by casper
I think I am a Church of England agnostic confused confused dot com.


Thank God you're an athiest
Posted By: Madge

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 4:32pm

I believe all religion is false, and was started to keep the masses in place,

i do however believe in something after death, although i dont believe in heaven or hell, i dont know what it is but i have a feeling there is something more,

I dont think religion of any type should be allowed to be forced on minors by their parents guardians schools churches etc, but maybe there could be a class in school that is about all the various beleif systems so children are informed rather than brainwashed by adults, and at 18 they can decide for themselves if they want to follow a particular one or not,

I dont think people should be punished for following a belief, if it brings them comfort then whats the harm, its only if they then try preaching that everyone else is wrong and they are right that the problems start.

I dont know if this makes me agnostic i am just someone who thinks its all nonsense,
Posted By: fish5133

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 9:50pm

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I believe all religion is false, and was started to keep the masses in place,


Madge...Only problem with that argument is that who was it started by and when? The different religions all started at different times.
I would agree though that certain religious beliefs and practices within certain religions are there to keep the person in an element of fear . The cults are very good at that.

I think man naturally has degree of belief in things beyond what we see and the questions of how did we get here how did the universe come into being etc etc are extensions of that belief and questioning. Some people will look at everything in the world and think that it must have had a "hand" behind it rather than some random lottery of chance and time.


Posted By: Madge

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 22nd Apr 2017 9:58pm

Well fish it isnt really an argument lol, its just my opinion, none of us know how this stuff started originally, its an interesting subject though,
Posted By: palemoon

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 6:58am

So, because man didn't know how it all started he invented God and said " there's the answer"."
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 8:09am

Religion was and still is a prison for your mind,just get on with your life
me no gods no worries,or ask yourself why haven't these gods ever returned to
put your mind a rest,because there are no gods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 8:11am

forgot to say show me a ghost god or any other crazy crap,and i will personally
give you £100k and £2k a month for the rest of your life? my life does not contain this madness,this is why we have all this trouble going on
Posted By: granny

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 8:53am

It was Earth Day yesterday, and if we think deeply about everything from tiny little microscopic insect to the incredible ability that our brain has, from the deepest oceans to the perfect balance of nature, rather than interesting, I think it's one huge AMAZING !


Joebloggs, ask the man who goes ghost hunting. He doesn't believe in anything either, only ghosts. If he believe in ghost he must believe in an after life, which brings us back to religion, that he doesn't believe in. raftl

Religion is not the problem, it's some of the people who use it as an excuse and a weapon, they are not religious, they are infiltrators for their own ends and I don't think I need to be told that 'religion' is a prison for my mind, by an atheist, Thanks very much.

It is also as Edd says, atheists shout loudest about religion.
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 9:15am

Do atheists say "bless you" when they sneeze?

Do atheists give kids Easter eggs and Xmas gifts?

Granny do you feel like coming with my to the pictures and shout at the movies "There's no superheroes" raftl x
Posted By: Madge

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 9:32am

joebloggs dont forget you cant say nothing about the religious as they get very cross, but they can insult your lack of belief, the religious shout loudest about religion, they are in MY experience the meanest spirited people i have ever met, i try to avoid them at all costs,
Posted By: palemoon

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 9:40am

Originally Posted by granny


It is also as Edd says, atheists shout loudest about religion.


That guy in Liverpool, Church St, with the microphone, telling us that we're all sinners, might disagree.
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 10:07am

I am missing something sherlock I've looked and looked over all the posts but for the life of me I can't see where anyone has insured anyone, could you pinpoint where and when said person did this please as it would help to know so none of us do it again smile and joeblogger you feel insulted feel free go let mark or us know so we get to say sorry. X

Just to let people know I play devils advocate in debates
Posted By: Madge

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 10:40am

Oh sorry i should have said i was generalising as it seems its the norm in this thread.
eg (athiests shout loudest about religion,
eg beleiving in ghosts must mean he beleives in an afterlife,

i personally havnt been insulted by anything written here, i rarely am offended by anything written on forums, social media etc as i know they usually wouldnt say it to peoples faces,
Posted By: Dilly

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 11:06am

See how bad religion is !

It's even causing trouble on wiki smile
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 11:35am

Lol Dilly saying hello to someone on wiki is asking for trouble these day.

My atheists shout the loudest quote, is for someone who don't believe in God they like to tell everyone about it which is a tongue and cheek quote

How can you believe in ghosts and not afterlife I don't know how that works

It's called debating and it would get boring really quick if we all had the same mind set

Anyhow have a hug and no bad feelings x bananalove
Posted By: Dilly

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 11:44am

Never any bad feeling on here, just different opinions and senses of humour. I like playing the devil, oh $hit does that mean I must believe in dog smile
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 12:19pm

i can say what i like to anyone i like because i abide by my laws
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 12:23pm

Originally Posted by granny
It was Earth Day yesterday, and if we think deeply about everything from tiny little microscopic insect to the incredible ability that our brain has, from the deepest oceans to the perfect balance of nature, rather than interesting, I think it's one huge AMAZING !


Joebloggs, ask the man who goes ghost hunting. He doesn't believe in anything either, only ghosts. If he believe in ghost he must believe in an after life, which brings us back to religion, that he doesn't believe in. raftl

Religion is not the problem, it's some of the people who use it as an excuse and a weapon, they are not religious, they are infiltrators for their own ends and I don't think I need to be told that 'religion' is a prison for my mind, by an atheist, Thanks very much.

It is also as Edd says, atheists shout loudest about religion.
religion is the problem
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 12:26pm

Originally Posted by Madge
joebloggs dont forget you cant say nothing about the religious as they get very cross, but they can insult your lack of belief, the religious shout loudest about religion, they are in MY experience the meanest spirited people i have ever met, i try to avoid them at all costs,
i don't care what they say it means nothing to me
Posted By: granny

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 12:40pm

So, Joeblogs is it fine by you that Jehovahs Witnesses in Russia should be facing thousand of dollars fines or 6 to 10 years in prison ?
Posted By: Madge

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 1:02pm

Originally Posted by eddtheduck


It's called debating and it would get boring really quick if we all had the same mind set

Anyhow have a hug and no bad feelings x bananalove


No hard feelings here either, im sure i met you once with your dogs and you seemed a decent enough bloke,
i tell myself not to comment on religion or politics as its always a pointless excercise, lol
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 4:21pm

Originally Posted by granny
So, Joeblogs is it fine by you that Jehovahs Witnesses in Russia should be facing thousand of dollars fines or 6 to 10 years in prison ?
should be life in prison and 100 million fine
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 4:22pm

yes yes yes yes
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 5:36pm

Originally Posted by granny
It is also as Edd says, atheists shout loudest about religion.


I've never known an atheist knock on a door and try to convert people or extract money under that excuse.
Posted By: granny

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 5:43pm

Originally Posted by joeblogs
Originally Posted by granny
So, Joeblogs is it fine by you that Jehovahs Witnesses in Russia should be facing thousand of dollars fines or 6 to 10 years in prison ?
should be life in prison and 100 million fine


I think that's called persecution. It's been done before in case you don't know, and it's no different to ISIS methods now.
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 6:05pm

Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by joeblogs
Originally Posted by granny
So, Joeblogs is it fine by you that Jehovahs Witnesses in Russia should be facing thousand of dollars fines or 6 to 10 years in prison ?
should be life in prison and 100 million fine


I think that's called persecution. It's been done before in case you don't know, and it's no different to ISIS methods now.
sorry i no you don't wont to hear it but i don't give a damn about Jehovahs Witnesses
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 6:08pm

people who spread lies about gods magic sky fairies turning muck into gold healing people should locked up indefinitely,oh and watching coronation street as well
Posted By: Dilly

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 6:11pm

Originally Posted by joeblogs
people who spread lies about gods magic sky fairies turning muck into gold healing people should locked up indefinitely,oh and watching coronation street as well


Leave Corrie out of this you nutter smile
Posted By: snowshoes

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 6:14pm

guilty as charged your honor. I'm hooked on
Coronation Street.
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 6:18pm

bet you all watch bgt you sick cookies
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 7:08pm

popcorn
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 7:13pm

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
It is also as Edd says, atheists shout loudest about religion.


I've never known an atheist knock on a door and try to convert people or extract money under that excuse.
raftl you've never had a sky/virgin salesperson knock on your door then tease
Posted By: Dilly

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 7:13pm

Originally Posted by joeblogs
bet you all watch bgt you sick cookies


Say what you like about bgt but never Diss Corrie !!!!!
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 7:23pm

Originally Posted by joeblogs
people who spread lies about gods magic sky fairies turning muck into gold healing people should locked up indefinitely,oh and watching coronation street as well
so what you're saying is all mums and dads should be locked up? My mum and dad told me there was a farther Christmas and gold at the end of rainbows and the tooth fairy wink
Posted By: joeblogs

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 23rd Apr 2017 7:26pm

yes but then you were told they weren't real,and you accepted that,they should have told the god one was balxxcks as well
Posted By: _Ste_

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 25th Apr 2017 10:35pm

Originally Posted by eddtheduck
I'm confused Ste maybe you can clear this up, you say there's no religion eg God, but you go on ghost hunts and you've put pictures up showing what you believe are ghosts how does this work?

Ps not having a go I'm just confused smile


Thats to keep the ghost section members happy, i do urban exploring, theres a big difference Ed, besides, what has that got to do with religion?
Posted By: granny

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 26th Apr 2017 8:09am



Even more confusing Ste when a previous comment of yours was as follows smile

" There's more white trash causing this country to go to ruin, open your eyes and stop blaming Muslims. "
Posted By: casper

Re: Jehovahs Witnesses outlawed in Russia. - 26th Apr 2017 8:50am

First they came for the socialists and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist, then they came for........................
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