I wonder what affect a yes vote will have on ordinary folk.
Not sure if it will affect our voting as Scottish mps may lose the right to vote on English affairs and elections
Will Labour lose 41 seats Liberal Democrats 11 seats to the benefit of the Conservatives who'll lose 1 seat
2010 election
Conservative (306)
Labour (258)
Liberal Democrat (57)
Labour Party: 41
Liberal Democrats: 11
Scottish National Party: 6
Conservative and Unionist Party:1
If YES, we divorce Scotland and they pay their Union debts and go their own way, if NO, you pay their Union debts and all the other money the three Amigo's have promised Scotland and they go their own way, England and it's people can go to hell in a row boat for all Scotland cares about, yes the Union of England Scotland and Wales with NI is broken and can never be repaired.
EU regionalism rules, the LibLabCons have done what the EU wants, Labour tried to do it in the North East and lost.
I believe that is true Derek. Scotland's now Labour MP's, Liberal MP's and others will not be elected to Westminster, and why should they ? You don't have French MP's or any other European countries MP's in the British government.
The whole thing looks like a major mess. There are so many issues, including the BBC, passports, pensions, telecommunications, and so on. It would cost many companies and UK Government a massive amount to sort it all out.
That is how I understand it, but I am quite sure that there are others on here who are far more enlightened on the problems to be faced and dealt with.
Until the last few days, I'd been hoping for a "NO" vote. Now, with all the concessions the three wise monkeys have promised, I hope for a "YES" and let them get on with it. What I expect is a narrow "NO" majority, but I hope I'm wromg. I know why Millipede has been trying to keep them; without the Scottish MP's I doubt Labour could ever form another government.
The betting Chris is for a NO vote, follow the money, those nerds on blogs like Political betting make very few mistakes where money is involved, If NO we pay and the ordinary people of England will be forced to pay the people of Scotland, we already forced to pay in taxes £12 billion a year for foreign charities and GPS for Indian city taxi drivers, £400 million Brown gave on a USA tv charity show for mosquito netting, we won't get any charity, don't forget the £50million a day to the EU, no doubt we will end up paying it all.
The whole thing looks like a major mess. There are so many issues, including the BBC, passports, pensions, telecommunications, and so on. It would cost many companies and UK Government a massive amount to sort it all out.
Not to sure Granny as to why you would believe the garbage the telly makes, the BBC is already transmitting to different countries via satellite , the Scots like the IOM pay the telly tax they can still pay it through BBC world Services, the transmitters are privately owned,telecommunication assets are already in, unless, they need updating that will be paid for by the Scots, companies like Asda,Tesco, Morissons, M&S already deliver goods to their branches in countries around the world, so how would they have a problem with delivering to Scotland, mostly because they have been got at by the LibLabCons.
I think Scotlands plan (barring a few really hardcore Nationalists) is to actually achieve a no vote ,but keep it looking a close contest in order to screw the maximum perks, bribes and desired changes, from a nervous Cameron Govt.
I suspect which ever way it goes Scotland wont lose out , because our Govt is so soft . If its a yes ,first Scotland gets loads of British 'booty' yet if its economy nosedives severely and theres serious deprivation amongst its population WE will dip into our tax payers coffers and bail them out . If its a no - they will get the promised bribes which will enrich their lot, and then we will continue to fund them anyway.
If the YES vote wins, they will not be part of the European Union straight away. That will take a while.
In the meantime does that mean all the Scots who are working in the rest of the UK will have to have a work permit?
How come Scotland, Wales, N Ireland and England can each compete in the World cup if they aren't countries in their own right?
Why Granny in 1922? when Ireland was treated as not being a foreign country and the Irish came and went freely even during WWII, their's no reason why Scotland can't have the same status, I presume it will be part of the negotiations and will be a foolish thing to have a work permit, I can't really see why the EU wouldn't admit Scotland soonest, as half of the £50 million a day we pay to the EU comes from Scotland, the EU is a greedy dictatorship who needs all the funds to pay the EU countries it's bankrupted, their daily bread, coming soon to a country called England and another called Scotland.
People making all kinds of predictions about the result, what the effects are going to be, where it will leave us down here. Someone is going to be correct and somebody else is going to look a right chump. Either way it's going to be chaos.
As one comedian (cant recall who) put it: why doesnt england get a say? Its like being in a relationship with someone who for years has been all like "i'm leaving, i'm leaving, i'm leaving" at some point you're gonna get sick of their bulls#it and want to kick them out of your life.
Therefore i reckon we should get a say as to whether we tell scotland to pack its bags or not and give the relationship another shot.
I wish Scotland luck in whatever they vote for, I hope it's YES, England needs a kick up the behind to wake it from it's sleepwalking into serfdom in the EU, yes I hate the EU and I wish England was having a vote on Independence from the EU.
Ed Milliband's speech just ended at the Labour Rally somewhere in Scotland........chronic !! Just so unconvincing .
I wonder how all the changes to affect all countries in UK, will be determined. Will it be up to the Government of the day or will it be another 'shoulder to shoulder event' ?
With a possible change of Government in the next 12 months it could be tricky.
Dont know Granny. Im fascinated to see how they will execute all the promises to Scotland including those we dont know about as they happened at the 11th hour .
Certainly 'England' which forms 85% of the UK will not sit back and watch quietly and watch it happen, as even many of its MP's are upset by the unknown extent of the bribes and promises--and Wales is not going to be happy either that it has less devolution than Scotland, so I think its a crafty move from Mr Cameron to announce that 'changes' for all countries will happen in the same time frame . How hard could it be to 'adjust and fiddle' with new constitutional measures in England and rest of UK,to effect that everything new given to Scotland via bribes, would basically be devalued with the effect of ending up with pretty much the status quo again ?Thats what I suspect might happen.
As a previous poster said, it was going to be messy and hugely difficult, whatever the vote was . I suppose everything will be rushed through in a panic , and end up being a completely unworkable situation . Happy days to come I think!
Seems we will end up/forced with regionalisation, that's what the EU wanted for the UK, Prescott tried to bring it in for the NE, makes all the regional area's rely on the EU, it's the breakup of the UK.
It's going to cost us all a lorra lorra money. Can you imagine the local crowd of numpties being able to raise their own funds, and it will only be from those who are working, the reality will be horrendous. I'm an old fart so it won't really affect me but I feel sorry for the rest of you, especially the productive members of our society.
There we have it now--- -the most often asked question to a Scotsman 54% said No.
Always thought the Barnet formula was a bribe and the old saying much wants more seems to come into it, we were a Union where all countries were supposed to have equal values in the Union, seems some of the Scots wanted more and Gordy Brown who seems to be our PM again is doing the aircraft carrier thing , I think in a few years the Scots will try it again and will try to get even more and more devo max, to the detriment of all, Independence won't go away and will be suppressed again by the EU, as after November we pass all the rest of our laws to the EU and November 2017 we lose control of our country, where even a referendum will require permission by the EU.
If Scotland had voted yes, it would have been crawling back to us in a few years, no Armed Forces, No Banks, No Health Service, No Scotlish Pound, Not part of the EU,etc etc!
sorry but this was a pipe dream and wasted time and money, and over the last two weeks bored the pants off me with all its media coverage.
It's not over until it's over, wonder how long before it kicks off again, if Scotland go Independent then they live off their own energies, which if you look at it's history has done well on the invention side, other small countries do well and live next to big countries, no reason why the Scots can't do just as well.
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honest opinion, as this sort of thing confuses the life out of me, and I still feel there must be some truth to the allegations. Fact or fiction ?
Accusations made about the Scottish Legal System, Scottish political figures in Westminster, Edinburgh paedophile ring, connections to Jewish political figures in Westminster, personal links to Israel and Israeli Government. Blackmail....the list goes on. Can it really be true ?
http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/tony-blairs-dirty-little-secrets/
