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The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned

Posted By: Kev30x

The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 3rd Apr 2014 5:52pm

[Linked Image] A man from Birkenhead has been banned from begging in Wirral.

Gareth Lambert, aged 28, from Oriel Road was given a five-year Anti-Social Behaviour Order (ASBO) banning him from approaching or engaging with any member of the public in any public place in Wirral to ask for money, cigarettes or to use their mobile phone.

Magistrates in Wirral have also forbidden him from causing harrassment, alarm or distress to any member of the public in Wirral and have given him an exclusion zone preventing him from entering the areas bounded by Union Street, Sidney Road, Allerton Road, Pearson Road, Argyle Street South, the flyover and Cambletown Road. This incorporates Rock Retail Park which is the area most affected by his offending.

Lambert received the ASBO on Friday, March 28 after he was sentenced at Wirral Magistrates' Court on March 12 for an offence of begging at Claughton Road, Birkenhead on January 29, 2014.

Neighbourhood Inspector Duncan Swan said the ASBO had been imposed to curb Lambert's offending and protect the community from his criminal behaviour.

Insp Swan said: "Gareth Lambert is a prolific beggar and the ASBO was brought about due to the high number of complaints received from members of the public.

"He often targets women with young children or the elderly and would follow them causing intimidation and distress. He used a plethora of reasons why he needed money often carrying a petrol can as a prop. He could sound very convincing but would
frequently turn hostile. He persistently targeted vulnerable victims despite constant warnings and continued to loiter in car parks and shopping areas making victims feel intimidated."

He added: "The public need to be aware of Gareth Lambert's persistent offending and the conditions that the court has imposed on him.

"The local community that has been affected by his criminal behaviour can act as our eyes and ears for ensuring that Lambert lives by the conditions. If anyone sees him begging, causing intimidation or entering his exclusion zone I would urge them to pass that information on to the police.

"Breaching the conditions of an ASBO is a serious matter and I hope that this sends out a strong message to other persistent offenders that the courts and the police will not tolerate a small number of individuals affecting the wider community."

(He has begged from me in Rock Retail park, Tesco on Borough road and Home Bargains Car park in Prenton asking for any spare change each time, sounds like he is from down south, always seem's polite enough when knocked back, but he's obviously a typical Sh*tbag who is more pushy with women and elderly people. Im sure a few on here have come across him begging. He always carries a string Jd sports bag over his shoulder.
Posted By: j_demo

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 3rd Apr 2014 7:04pm

thing is, this says wirral. i'm 99.5% certain that he's asked me for change etc in liverpool, i know because he asked me while i was up by the bombed out church one day heading to richer sounds, then later that day head to mcdonalds in rock retail park and he asked me again, clearly forgetting he'd asked me a couple of hours earlier... does he not have a hobby or something??? go to museums and walk round, they're still free aren't they...
Posted By: brady

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 3rd Apr 2014 7:40pm

I thought that was Dirk Kuyt for a min there lol
Posted By: MikeT

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 7:27am

Originally Posted by j_demo
thing is, this says wirral. i'm 99.5% certain that he's asked me for change etc in liverpool,


There's a guy that begs in Sir Thomas Street in Liverpool around the bus stops there. Doesn't look unlike this one, but not as blond and with no beard. Seems to target single women and anyone with an expensive phone in their hand.
Posted By: _Ste_

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 8:20am

STINGEBAGS! laugh
Posted By: granny

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 12:25pm

Ian O'Doherty also a beggar, until he met with human approval. Then he became a hero !

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...nd-a-new-hero-for-our-time-26749758.html
Posted By: granny

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 12:44pm

Originally Posted by granny
Ian O'Doherty article: John Byrne also a beggar, until he met with human approval. Then he became a hero !

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/c...nd-a-new-hero-for-our-time-26749758.html


Sorry, John Byrne was the man who saved his bunny.
Posted By: rhoobarb2002

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 1:43pm

I have nothing against homeless and others in desperate situations, life is cruel and as such I may end up in the same situation one day, as may all of us.
The problem I see is that, aside from the usual 'you don't know what he really is spending the money on' argument, this guy doesn't just beg, he harasses you for money.
Twice I have been hassled by him around Lidl. The first time he asked for money so he could get the bus home to somewhere out in the sticks or something. I had no money as I only really use cards, but he kept asking me again if I had money.
The second time I was in my car waiting to turn toward Well Lane and he knocked the window and started asking for money for food!
He had a shaved head and no beard then.
He does not just say OK and leave you alone, he pesters you, blocking your way, etc, and he acts manic, incredibly jumpy and jittery, no wonder people were intimidated by him. Who knows if he wouldn't pull a knife or something.
I have seen him approach others too, some he just asks once, others he hassles.
He has targeted my daughter before who has fear and anxiety issues, and despite being told she didn't have money, followed her to keep asking and really upset her.
Have you ever known another beggar to be slapped with an ASBO?

Perhaps he has mental issues, but, he obviously knows he can intimidate some people, coercion by intimidation is just not on.

On the note of 'where does the money go?', a woman was begging in the Rock Ferry Retail car park, in the same place this guy hangs around funnily enough. She asked me if she could have a pound to get some food, I said I would do one better and buy a bag of chips from the chippy 10 feet away for her, she pulled a face and said no thanks. smirk
Posted By: ann12

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 2:58pm

this man is not homeless. he lives in oriel road with a wife/girlfriend and a child
Posted By: rhoobarb2002

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 4:16pm

Originally Posted by ann12
this man is not homeless. he lives in oriel road with a wife/girlfriend and a child


Yes it said in the original post, that is why I said "..and desperate situations" as a general comment towards all, not one individual in particular. Living in a house does not mean you are living well.
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 8:53pm

Originally Posted by _Ste_
STINGEBAGS! laugh

And Ste`s quote from another thread..

"Now, Theres the kid from birkenhead who has just recieved an asbo banning him from parts of the area due to begging.
This dude has no money obviously so he's asking for help and look what happens!
Great help that aint it?"

"people are so stingey these days, cant even put their hands in their pockets for a measly quid???"

from original post..
"He often targets women with young children or the elderly and would follow them causing intimidation and distress."

Oh, so this is fine with Ste, maybe Ste would like this man to follow his missus.
Posted By: RUDEBOX

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 9:18pm

I think that this fellas 'technique' appears to be all wrong obvs- you can't go around intimidating the public for money....

However, there ARE genuine desperate, destitute people out there....breaks my heart how people judge and condemn them.

Desperate situations lead to desperate actions, unfortunately. I can only assume 'moral codes' alter too.

I personally, when I can would prefer to buy a homeless person a cup of tea and a butty or something...a friend accused me of being judgemental/ selective.

Her point was that if a person has been reduced to living on the streets due to addiction (whether drugs/ alcohol/ gambling etc) then who am I to judge how they spend 'my' paltry donation. 2 towards tea/ food/ cider/ heroin is only going to be a temporary relief, whether that be food/ drink/ warmth/ comfort.....

Made me think, anyhow.
Posted By: RUDEBOX

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 9:22pm

Originally Posted by j_demo
does he not have a hobby or something??? go to museums and walk round, they're still free aren't they...
Yes, but food, drink and warmth generally are not. (Applicable to all desperate people- not just this character).
Posted By: snowhite

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 9:58pm

Its happening everywhere these days, begging for booze or fags.best idea is go into a shop and buy them a burger or a hot drink.I bet a bottom dollar they will want the money rather than anyone buying food.
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:04pm

they don't need to work, they get more money begging.
Posted By: RUDEBOX

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:06pm

Originally Posted by snowhite
Its happening everywhere these days, begging for booze or fags.best idea is go into a shop and buy them a burger or a hot drink.I bet a bottom dollar they will want the money rather than anyone buying food.
Try it, let us know how you get on....

Also, consider what it is like being a homeless person- maybe with an addiction of some sort- as stated above, who are we to judge their priority need?
Posted By: RUDEBOX

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:09pm

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
they don't need to work, they get more money begging.
Have you ever stopped to look how much money is in their 'pot'?
Posted By: snowhite

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:16pm

Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Originally Posted by snowhite
Its happening everywhere these days, begging for booze or fags.best idea is go into a shop and buy them a burger or a hot drink.I bet a bottom dollar they will want the money rather than anyone buying food.
Try it, let us know how you get on....

Also, consider what it is like being a homeless person- maybe with an addiction of some sort- as stated above, who are we to judge their priority need?
Go to Liverpool mate.open your eyes, they are begging {same ones every night}you will find they most prefer alcohol than food.Its fact.
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:18pm

Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Originally Posted by ZipperClub
they don't need to work, they get more money begging.
Have you ever stopped to look how much money is in their 'pot'?

they take the money out and pretend they have none!
my mate used to beg, and used to put a shopping trolley token in the pot to make it look like there where real minge bags out there who would "donate" such an item
Posted By: RUDEBOX

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:40pm

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Originally Posted by ZipperClub
they don't need to work, they get more money begging.
Have you ever stopped to look how much money is in their 'pot'?

they take the money out and pretend they have none!
my mate used to beg, and used to put a shopping trolley token in the pot to make it look like there where real minge bags out there who would "donate" such an item
so your mate was a piss- taker then? Ruining public attitude for the genuine folk? Nice mate.
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:45pm

lots do it, many a program on tv about it. these ones who stand like white statues, make shapes with sand, play the accordian, open your eyes. sorry caps keys and shift have stuck.
I just googled, not mail or express!!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...c-but-lived-in-300000-house-8704984.html
Posted By: snowhite

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 4th Apr 2014 10:49pm

@Rudebox.Have you ever begged in the streets?Ive know some who dont beg but work 24/7 to keep a roof over there heads eating hardly anything to survive[no booze as they can t aford it].Homeless don t need to be homeless or begging, There is help out there.but them who work hard dont get any help.I rest my case.
Posted By: granny

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 12:19am

There are some very genuine cases of need, out there on the streets. Maybe not all are so genuine but many are.
The chap in question has an address and would appear to have mental health issues but we don't know this.
If you don't have a permanent address, you can't get a job or benefits. If you can't get a job or benefits, you have no roof.
We cannot suggest that one size fits all, as we have no idea how people end up in this situation.
So far as the charities go, they have little or no space left for the homeless. So what is the answer ?
In London they have the night crew, going around the streets to the cardboard box people, giving them soup. The same happens in many a European country. Does anyone on Wirral do that ? I don't know. Maybe there aren't enough beggars ..yet!
Posted By: MikeT

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 8:16am

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
these ones who stand like white statues, make shapes with sand, play the accordian,

That's street art, not begging. Hardly the same thing.
Posted By: the_pope

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 8:47am

Originally Posted by MikeT
Originally Posted by ZipperClub
these ones who stand like white statues, make shapes with sand, play the accordian,

That's street art, not begging. Hardly the same thing.


will they pay tax on there "earnings" noonoo
Posted By: RUDEBOX

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 9:32am

Originally Posted by granny

In London they have the night crew, going around the streets to the cardboard box people, giving them soup. The same happens in many a European country. Does anyone on Wirral do that ? I don't know. Maybe there aren't enough beggars ..yet!
Yes, there is something being set up in Wirral. Look up Community Spirit Wirral on Facebook or pm me for number if you want further info.
Posted By: _Ste_

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 9:41am

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Originally Posted by _Ste_
STINGEBAGS! laugh

And Ste`s quote from another thread..

"Now, Theres the kid from birkenhead who has just recieved an asbo banning him from parts of the area due to begging.
This dude has no money obviously so he's asking for help and look what happens!
Great help that aint it?"

"people are so stingey these days, cant even put their hands in their pockets for a measly quid???"

from original post..
"He often targets women with young children or the elderly and would follow them causing intimidation and distress."

Oh, so this is fine with Ste, maybe Ste would like this man to follow his missus.


stop stirring the spoon zipper and get back to your zimmer frame.

besides, how do you know im not bent?

smile
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 7:30pm

Bent!! you invented soap on a rope :-)
Posted By: _Ste_

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 7:40pm

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Bent!! you invented soap on a rope :-)


Hahaha, took your time old timer. laugh
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 8:03pm

Originally Posted by _Ste_
Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Bent!! you invented soap on a rope :-)


Hahaha, took your time old timer. laugh


ste think this will help explain why he took so long raftl

link
Posted By: _Ste_

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 9:12pm

Originally Posted by eddtheduck
Originally Posted by _Ste_
Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Bent!! you invented soap on a rope :-)


Hahaha, took your time old timer. laugh


ste think this will help explain why he took so long raftl

link


laugh
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 5th Apr 2014 9:30pm

Respect thine elders, ye wicked people.. :-)
Posted By: europa1

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 6th Apr 2014 12:48pm

I used to see him almost daily. He was in the Magistrates Court one morning for begging and was begging again at lunchtime. His favourite spots are to sit beside parking ticket machines and wait for females or elderly people. He will ask for just one pound knowing he has a good chance of getting it off the frightened victim. Europa Boulevard and Wilcos carpark are his favourite haunts. He can be quite plausible with lots of excuses. I saw someone catch him taking a pound from one lady and they grabbed hold of him. He said he had sold the woman 'five cigarettes'. The woman said she did not smoke. He had to hand the pound over.
Posted By: Kev30x

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 6th Apr 2014 2:31pm

Sounds like he needs to be sent back down South where he comes from, Bet he never got many quids pestering people with his bullsh*t excuses down there. lol
Posted By: europa1

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 6th Apr 2014 2:36pm

Yes indeed. I cannot see the ASBO doing anything. Nothing else has stopped him except when males have intervened. Maybe there needs to be a vigilante patrol to drive him and the others away?
Posted By: uptonbaz

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 6th Apr 2014 10:34pm

"Breaching the conditions of an ASBO is a serious matter ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,
Posted By: europa1

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 3:12pm

All they can do is send him to prison which will cost 1,000s and he will get out and do it again and again. He already has racked up loads of fines he won't pay. Less civilised countries would blind him or cut his feet off. That would probably work.
Posted By: granny

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 3:24pm

Originally Posted by europa1
All they can do is send him to prison which will cost 1,000s and he will get out and do it again and again. He already has racked up loads of fines he won't pay. Less civilised countries would blind him or cut his feet off. That would probably work.


They could also do the same to you; for saying what you think !
Posted By: Vanmanone

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 3:47pm

With his care allowance,and begging,He`ll be quids in.
Posted By: europa1

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 8:26pm

Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by europa1
All they can do is send him to prison which will cost 1,000s and he will get out and do it again and again. He already has racked up loads of fines he won't pay. Less civilised countries would blind him or cut his feet off. That would probably work.


They could also do the same to you; for saying what you think !

They could indeed but the difference between me and him is simple. I have worked all my life and bothered no one.He is a vile pest. YOU could be his next victim.
Posted By: granny

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 9:52pm

Originally Posted by europa1
Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by europa1
All they can do is send him to prison which will cost 1,000s and he will get out and do it again and again. He already has racked up loads of fines he won't pay. Less civilised countries would blind him or cut his feet off. That would probably work.


They could also do the same to you; for saying what you think !

They could indeed but the difference between me and him is simple. I have worked all my life and bothered no one.He is a vile pest. YOU could be his next victim.


Maybe so, but I'd probably give him a fiver.
Posted By: ZipperClub

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 10:09pm

Bothered me and he`d get a bunch of fives
Posted By: europa1

Re: The Rock Retail Park Begging Pest Finally Banned - 7th Apr 2014 11:08pm

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Bothered me and he`d get a bunch of fives


Better than a 100 ASBO's.
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