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Rightly or wrongly, I think Madonnafan was trying to get a different point across.
Anyway, whatever the reasons for being on benefits of one type or another, if we go back to the original post, whether it is hyperthetical or not, if anybody is aware of someone who is cheating the system then they should report them instead of complaining. It doesn't take much to work out who gets what and who's got what , which may lead to questions. If there is no intention to report those guilty of cheating the system, then there is no reason to complain. I would be suspect of mobile phones, internet access, trips out, in addition to paying bills and feeding oneself. All on £71 a week! I find that impossible to comprehend.
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Yes those of us that work and pay tax dont mind paying for those in need. What all of us hate that pay our tax are the people who sit back and dont want or cant be bothered to work. They have the latest phones with internet, spend time in pub or home drinking ,smoking. They usually have the lastest gear and run cars. Thats where life isnt fair, but i is suppose life isnt fair for most people especailly when they have had their wages frozen, hours slashed, and find it expensive to run cars to get to work, loss of shift allowence or indeed having to pay bedroom tax. See that nail... you've hit it on the head.
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Also, 'disabled' is to easy to be in this day and age.
Pointless rant Stop... You missed my point. For every legitimate disabled person, and I thoroughly sympathise with your situation, there is no doubt one who isn't in this situation.
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I think Madonnafan was trying to get a different point across.
Precisely.
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Rightly or wrongly, I think Madonnafan was trying to get a different point across.
Anyway, whatever the reasons for being on benefits of one type or another, if we go back to the original post, whether it is hypothetical or not, if anybody is aware of someone who is cheating the system then they should report them instead of complaining. It doesn't take much to work out who gets what and who's got what , which may lead to questions. If there is no intention to report those guilty of cheating the system, then there is no reason to complain. I would be suspect of mobile phones, internet access, trips out, in addition to paying bills and feeding oneself. All on £71 a week! I find that impossible to comprehend. If someone is committing benefit fraud, then hell yes report them! This small minority is the reason that the genuine people get tarred with the same brush! It is hard to manage on that amount of money, but some are lucky enough to get help with bills & food from family. Those that have never worked yet have top of the range mobiles, BFO Scouse telly's & are out every week make my spidey sense tingle.
Also, 'disabled' is to easy to be in this day and age.
Pointless rant Stop... You missed my point. For every legitimate disabled person, and I thoroughly sympathise with your situation, there is no doubt one who isn't in this situation. Firstly, it wasn't a pointless "rant", it was a factual reply to a rather ill worded statement (in my opinion). I'd say the ratio is not 1:1. We are made more aware of the benefit cheats by tv shows & the likes of the Daily Wail being fixated on them (and rightly so as it again tars those legitimate disabled people with the same brush). I do think it's very easy to see someone who for all intents & purposes looks "healthy" and say they are not disabled, but there are many conditions that cannot be seen - PTSD, Fibro, MS (on a good day), cardiac problems etc. I'd love nothing more than for every fraudulent claimant to be caught, punished, named and shamed but I don't think it will ever be stamped out. There will always be a certain core of society that will believe that they have the right to do what they do. I wish I had the answer Oh, by the way - the "Stop" comment.... am I meant to stop in the name of love? Is it Hammertime, or I should collaborate and listen?
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Oh, by the way - the "Stop" comment.... am I meant to stop in the name of love? Is it Hammertime, or I should collaborate and listen? Stop in the name of love, then proceed to collaborate and listen. I have not time for Hammertime today
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. I would be suspect of mobile phones, internet access, trips out, in addition to paying bills and feeding oneself. All on £71 a week! I find that impossible to comprehend. It is hard to manage on that amount of money, but some are lucky enough to get help with bills & food from family. Quote Re: Wench. That is probably a contributary factor to JSA being so dire. Unemployed are asked if they have help with bills, they probably say 'NO' therefore,for statistics, it would appear that it is a managable amount per week. If they said 'YES' the befnefit would probably be reduced. A bit like those who were dedicated enough to work their lunch hours a number of years ago. Sandwich at desk, typing away and answering phone calls. Result......lunch hour withdrawn, all condidtions changed to accommodate the option of having fewer staff. So now you have to work over 6 hours to qualify for a 10 minute break.If you work 7 hours(I think) you can have two 10 minute breaks either seperate or together. I know this is off topic, but as a point to show that, give them an inch and they take a mile. It would be better if family did not help those on benefits, for the benefit of the long term. ...If that makes sense?
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. I would be suspect of mobile phones, internet access, trips out, in addition to paying bills and feeding oneself. All on £71 a week! I find that impossible to comprehend. It is hard to manage on that amount of money, but some are lucky enough to get help with bills & food from family. Quote Re: Wench. That is probably a contributary factor to JSA being so dire. Unemployed are asked if they have help with bills, they probably say 'NO' therefore,for statistics, it would appear that it is a managable amount per week. If they said 'YES' the befnefit would probably be reduced. A bit like those who were dedicated enough to work their lunch hours a number of years ago. Sandwich at desk, typing away and answering phone calls. Result......lunch hour withdrawn, all condidtions changed to accommodate the option of having fewer staff. So now you have to work over 6 hours to qualify for a 10 minute break.If you work 7 hours(I think) you can have two 10 minute breaks either seperate or together. I know this is off topic, but as a point to show that, give them an inch and they take a mile. It would be better if family did not help those on benefits, for the benefit of the long term. ...If that makes sense? what about the ones who havent worked for years ,Dosent the jobcentre call them in and ask why they haven t been seeking work?
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