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Well it looks like merseyrail are going for a ban on booze is this too little too late? x

Are they?


National Railway Byelaws (2005)

This is the specific Byelaw

4. Intoxication and possession of intoxicating liquor

(1) No person shall enter or remain on the railway where such person is unfit to enter or remain on the railway as a result of being in a state of intoxication.

(2) Where reasonable notice is, or has been, given prohibiting intoxicating liquor on any train service, no person shall have any intoxicating liquor with him on it, or attempt to enter such a train with intoxicating liquor with him.

(3) Where an authorised person reasonably believes that any person is unfit to enter or remain on the railway, or has with him intoxicating liquor contrary to Byelaw 4(2), an authorised person may:

(i) require him to leave the railway; and
(ii) prevent him entering or remaining on the railway until an authorised person is satisfied that he has no intoxicating liquor with him and/or is no longer in an unfit condition.


Byelaw 4.1 and 4.3 (ii) seem pretty clear on the matter.

they have loads of bye laws but hardly none are adhered to,they don't have enough staff to monitor all the stations and sadly more tragedies will happen because of this.
FREE CHRIS GEE.

This is it in a nutshell.

I don't understand how people don't get this, it's not hard to understand is it?

I agree, StrontiumDog; the guard must at least share the blame. Having said that, I think the sentence too harsh, but I wasn't there to hear all the evidence.

Yes the blame should have been shared, but no it was put on one mans shoulders, and the sentence was too harsh considering what some scrotes get sentenced for blatant acts of violence.

This video evidence is a "still" taken from a time lapse video, the still shown in the papers was not from the moment that the guard gave the ready to start signal. The picture is very misleading.

Fazakerley !!

That is an interesting bit of information and does make a massive difference to the whole case.

Got to be careful how I put this.....

If the above quote is followed through it would be interesting to see how they are going to deal with major events on their network such as the Grand National and Orange Lodge marches were a lot of alcohol is consumed before they travel.

Will the rules be relaxed by the 'bosses' on those days??

Discuss people.

its been drummed into our heads for years as "dont drink and drive use public transport"

Can I ask have u read the R.A.I.B report?? Might be an idea if u did then maybe u would understand a bit more http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/investigation_reports/reports_2012/report222012.cfm.

I've read all 45 pages of the report, from which it seems clear that the guard was at least partly to blame for the accident. It seems that he failed to ensure that the victim was in a safe position before sending the start signal. There are clearly other contributory factors and the sentence seems unjustly harsh. I wish him well on appeal, but surely he can't be completely exonerated.

He shouldn't have been held solely responsible in the first place! HAd other people involved in that tragic evening acted more responsibly then there would be nothing to exonerate him for xx