In 1906 Wallasey Corporation took delivery of two new ferries, built by Robert Stevenson and Company on the Tyne and named 'Iris' and 'Daffodil'. The boats were 159 feet long and could carry 1,735 passengers, the Iris was 491 tons and the Daffodil was 482 tons.
In 1915 both boats were requisitioned for service in the First World War, they were renamed 'H.M.S. Iris' and H.M.S. Daffodil', had armour plating fitted and were painted Grey.
They were used on the first commando raid on the Port of Zeebrugge, in Belgium, because of their double hulls and as they only drew eight foot six inches of water, they could sail over the minefields.
Both boats were badly damaged, 188 Officers and men had been killed with a further 16 reported missing. 'H.M.S. Iris' was able to return to the Mersey under her own steam, but 'H.M.S. Daffodil' had to be towed back.
The White Ensign, which had been flown from the masthead of 'H.M.S. Daffodil' was presented to the Ferries Department, it used to be displayed at Seacombe Ferry terminal.
The damaged 'H.M.S. Iris' back in the Mersey
The two boats were reconditioned and were allowed to use the prefix "Royal" in front of their names in recognition of their gallant action. Both vessels re-entered service as ferryboats, after being repaired at Chatham.
The Zeebrugge bronzes were displayed on the ferryboats. On these plates were the names of those men who had died in action in the raid. There was one that commemorated the bravery of Commander Valentine Gibbs of the Royal Navy, who commanded 'H.M.S. Iris', as he "lay mortally wounded, fighting and directing his ship to the last, whilst under the enemy's fire, upholding in his noble death the glorious traditions of the Great Service to which he belonged".
The 'Royal Iris' running pleasure cruises on the Mersey
The 'Royal Iris' was withdrawn from service and sold in 1932 to Palmer Brothers of Dublin. She was used as a cruise boat operating from Dublin under the same name. She was later used at Cork. In 1947 she was sold to the Cork Harbour Authority and renamed 'Blarney'.
The 'Royal Daffodil' at New Brighton Pier
The Medway Steam Packet Company bought the "Royal Daffodil" in 1933. She took up duties on the Thames and eventually was sold for scrap.
In 1950 Wallasey Corporatin took delivery of 'Royal Iris II', she had been built by William Denny & Brothers of Dumbarton, she was 1234 tons and 159 feet long. She was unique amongst the ferries as she had diesel electric engines. She also had a unique superstructure design.
The 'Royal Iris II'
The 'Royal Iris II' was withdrawn from service in 1993 and sold for use as a night club in Cardiff, following an unsuccessful period there she was moved to the River Thames in 2002. She remains afloat in an increasingly derelict condition.
The 'Royal Iris II on the Thames'
The 'Royal Daffodil II' was the last ferry to be built for Wallasey Corporation, she was built by James Lamont & Company of Greenock in 1957. She was 609 tons and 159 feet 6 inches long.
The 'Royal Daffodil II'
The 'Royal Daffodil II' was withdrawn from service in 1977 and sold to Greek owners who renamed her IOULIS KEAS II. On 7 November 2007 she sank about 20 miles off Cape Andreas, Cyprus after ingress of water and steering gear failure in heavy weather on passage from Mersin to Famagusta; 8 crew were rescued but her captain and 1st mate were lost.
In 2000 Mersey Ferries withdrew the former Birkenhead Corporation ferry 'Overchurch' from service, and after a major overhaul she was renamed 'Royal Daffodil'
The 'Royal Daffodil III'
The 'Overchurch' (or 'Royal Daffodil III') was built by Cammell Laird in 1962
Two years later, in 2002 the former Birkenhead Corporation ferry 'Mountwood' was overhauled and renamed 'Royal Iris of the Mersey' (the name 'Royal Iris' is still registered to 'Royal Iris II).
The 'Royal Iris of the Mersey'
The 'Mountwood' (or 'Royal Iris of the Mersey' was built by Philip & Son of Dartmouth in 1960.
I was working on the "new" Daffodil when she had her refit in Lairds. They had to cut the sides of the hull out to remove and refit new engines! Brought a team of Swiss engineers over for that! Also remember one of the two engines packing in while in service and had to board her at Woodside with spares and tools to fix her while still operating! If only the passengers knew!!!
Also my great aunt was a "clippy" onboard, when you were allowed to fish off the side while in service, she would bring home ell`s etc. How the times are a changing, AND not always for the better!
when the ferry was getting refurbursed about 4-5 years ago are firm installed alot of duct work and made the funnel for the boat i will try and get a few pics up
hi just to pass on messages from friends in the london fire brigade..it sounds bad! Silvertown, Ex Ferry ship sunk, in docks, Fire, Police & Ambulance in Att, Now looking for bodies
just a derelict ex-Mersey ferry that has been moored there for years and has been on the bottom for sometime it appeared to be sinking as the high tide had been swamping it a little more than normal and this had been noticed by a passing vessel !
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Hi all I am new here. I have just spoken to a friend of mine who works on the Thames barrier control, he informs me that she has not sank she is taking on water in her aft peak every high tide. As sallybear say's she can't sink she is sat on the mud. However they have tried to contact the owner Mr James Jegede but no contact has been made. It seems Mr Jegede has very little interest in such an important part of our heritage.
Hi, ive taken a bit of stick for reporting this - this is the info I have received from people in London (im in wallasey so obviously am working on passed on information). The below is cut & pasted from another forum where the same information was posted, Someone there thought I shoulve made clear it was the old royal iris and not the current royal iris (of the mersey)..
as reported on another forum (ship nostalgia), she was taking on water yesterday morning with a hole, (starboard quarter i think). Last night, i received the above two messages... I have since spoken to the source who is a serving London Firefighter. Whilst he was off duty last night, he was teaching ship-bourne firefighting on board a ship on the other side of the thames (not mersey). He and one of the fellow instructors noticed that the Royal Iris (no longer of the mersey), was sinking in the high tide. As they watched, around 10 blue light vehicles arrived near the Royal Iris berth and a further 4 appliances arrived next to the ship where they were instructing. When my friend asked what was happening, they were told by the crew commander in charge, that they had been sent to search for bodies on this side of the thames. It would seem to me (my opinion at the moment) that the LFB have treated this as a ferry sinking and inline with a previous major incident on the thames, they swung into action.
Now, I thought that the information would be interesting to not only ship enthusiasts, but also locals - as you may read in the other forum, there are a lot of people with fond memories of the iris (not of the mersey!). If you go on yahoo groups and look for London FIre Brigade, you may be able to find the original messages as posted above - I have since learnt the rest of the facts from a phonecall to a serving London Firefighter.
If anyone has any more questions, please feel free to ask and I will try to answer regards Barry
latest messages from yahoo groups London Fire Brigade
Chris, Found this, i know Fireboat was required to attend, due to Cylinders at request of River police, No persons where involved those.
--- In [email protected], "Chris Tunstall" <chriscmsrf@...> wrote: > > > This not just yer ordinary Mersey Ferry ...... No, this is the one and only Royal Iris, the only surviving (or is it now?), Wallasey Corporation ferry boat. > > It is a shame it has got to this state, any more news appreciated by the locals. > > Chris > > > > > --- In [email protected], RANDYGROWLER@ wrote: > > > > Hi Bob, just a derelict ex-Mersey ferry that has been moored there for > > years and has been on the bottom for sometime it appeared to be sinking as the > > high tide had been swamping it a little more than normal and this had been > > noticed by a passing vessel ! > > >
In better times......wouldn't this part of merseyside's maritime history have been able to find a home at the maritime museum........a waste and a loss...again..not realised until it's too late and gone.
Re: the pic of her listing to starboard. From the angle of the rust stains running down the superstructure, she's been listing for quite a while. Maybe just the angle of the mud she sits on at low water.
Got to be honest here, I always thought it was an ugly, hideous vessel. Designed by a naval architect who had obviously been on the cooking sherry. HOWEVER... it's still sad to see her in this sorry state. The gas axe looms I'm sure.
Why the heck couldn't someone have saved one of the REAL ferries ? Bidston, Claughton, Upton, Hinderton etc. That would have been something. Gift of hindsight ?????
Well, I do tend to agree Pinzgauer - she's not the most attractive ever built is she?, However, she is iconic, and such a part of Merseyside history, both Maritime and Social. Why have the authorities got such an aversion to preserving the transport of the 50's and 60's? (As an aside, the last class 503 underground unit, although 'preserved' is, I think, rotting away and vandalised in the open air in Coventry). Maybe in years to come, her loss will be regarded as the same as the loss of the Overhead?
Then again, why is everyone saying how sad, what a shame, and she's never coming back? The boat still exists, and while it does, is it ever too late? I dunno....
I think if it going to be saved, people need to get together - its being discussed on other foums too:
People can do it; the brand new steam locomotive Tornado started as a pipe dream 19 years ago, and now, £3m pounds later is built and is superb. The initial money was raised via covenants 'for the price if a pint a week' - could something similar be done for 'Iris'?
How about 'for the price of a chip supper'?
What is sad is that we can preserve what Mersyside hated (a German U-Boat), but not what Merseyside loved (the Royal Iris). Does my head in.
Just my thoughts... sorry if it's all too naive.
Billy.
Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
I echo your sentiments billy. It seems a "local" lack of enthusiasm for preserving "local" heritage.
Whilst it was outside the Pacific Road (then) tram terminus, I was one of a VERY small band of folk helping to stop the decay and make a start on the renovation of the the 503 Driving Trailer "Mersey" car. Basically there were 3 of us. A chap from New Brighton - the ONLY local, myself (I came down by train from Ayrshire once a month) and a chap from London who could only "escape" 2 or 3 times a year ! That just about sums up the "local" desire to keep Merseyside's heritage in one piece !
The complete 503 set at Coventry is a Royal Iris on tracks - rusting away and almost beyond saving.
Before going too OT. The same sketch is happening NOW with the 502 (Southport electric) unit. It was at Steamport,Southport. Again I helped to get it working and it was taken out on the "juice" for special trips. Folk moved away (guilty) and no one took up the job of maintaining it. It went into outside storage for year at a MOD depot. Secure, but open to the weather. Sad state to say the least. It's been "rescued" and is now at Tebay, tarpaulined over, awaiting someone in Merseyside to help out with covered accomodation. Not an easy task.
Future generations aren't going to thank us for what we've let go.
Sorry Dave, they were found using Extreme Picture Finder (v3.11) and so no copyright notices came with them. Like your artistic talents of leaving the washing line up, makes it more interesting.
Who actually owns the washing line/clothes in the picture. The last time i saw somebody onboard was 2 women (rather nice too!) on the top deck sunbathing last summer with the caravan door open. Are they squatters? Its a strange setup with the whole caravan thing
Are her engines still onboard? Assume seized solid if they are! What about her wheelhouse? any photos of that? Any wheel/controls left inside?
I took this vid in 1991 when my Dad and I were looking for the old Royal Iris in Birkenhead. You only see it for a few seconds. In retrospect, I wish I took more time :¬( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUBWy6RnP5I
This is on the front page of todays Liverpool Echo! Im sure I have a picture of the Royal Iris when the Queen is on board in the river mersey, 1977? i was a kid at the time, we where standing on the steps at the back of Wallasey town hall, I came across the picture some 15 years later or more.
Gerry Marsden, leader of Gerry & the Pacemakers, sailed on the ferry thousands of times as he sung the well-know 'Ferry Across The Mersey'.
"It is such a shame, but every year there are reports of it getting more and more dilapidated and every year we all try to do something to save it but to no avail.
"It has so much history and was much loved by many in Liverpool."
quote taken off the bbc web site
what has he done to try and save her,would love to know,if he can't do it dont think we would have much look..
I sent an email to the Liverpool Echo a few months back about this - didn't get a reply. The Royal Iris should be raised and refurbed - get Sir Paul to donate a few bob. - very historic for Beatle fans and Merseysiders alike.
a update from another site says she has now been made watertight and pumped out and is floating on the high tide,also the owner is talking to a guy who is willing to buy her and return her to the mersey,may only be rumours but a very strong one.........fingers crossed she could escape the scrap yard yet..the port of london are also putting pressure on the owner to move it as he hasn't paid his mooring fees for a few years..
this is the text,will sort the link out when i can get it to work.
Good Evening sue I have some good news regarding the royal iris. In the past few days have been in contact with the PLA and the chap who Manages the berth where she’s moored. They both inform me that she has been pumped out and emergency repairs have been made, she i...s now floating at every high tide. I was also informed there has been regular fuel deliveries in the past 4 weeks but only in small quantities. On a more of a frustrating note, I have made contact with owner though a “middle man” who is in regular contact with Mr Jegede. I have been told he will contact me when he has time. After a every lengthy conversation to the PLA. It appears Mr Jegede avoids all communication with them at all costs, as he hasn’t paid them for a number of years and is effectively squatting on the berth. Further on in the conversation I was told “We would be delighted if she removed from the Thames as she has been an eyesore for a number of years. Year in year out we are more and more concerned with her deteriorating condition as she could potentially become a navigational hazard.” I will be going down to see the vessel next week to see her present condition, and try to meet with Mr Jegede, as it seems he no longer resides in France. I will keep you informed Kind regards Mart
the only photo of the wheel house i have. Sorry i had to blank out the picture for obvious reasons.
Photo of the water line at high tide on the 1st deck (Ground Floor) before she was pumped out.
Fantastic shots PrintHere. Anymore taken on the day would be interesting to see. Im suprised her telegraph etc is still there,but shame to see her wheel has gone.
Dave wood has taken some fantastic photos onboard her 13/1/10 some in HDR:
this is the text,will sort the link out when i can get it to work.
Good Evening sue I have some good news regarding the royal iris. In the past few days have been in contact with the PLA and the chap who Manages the berth where she’s moored. They both inform me that she has been pumped out and emergency repairs have been made, she i...s now floating at every high tide. I was also informed there has been regular fuel deliveries in the past 4 weeks but only in small quantities. On a more of a frustrating note, I have made contact with owner though a “middle man” who is in regular contact with Mr Jegede. I have been told he will contact me when he has time. After a every lengthy conversation to the PLA. It appears Mr Jegede avoids all communication with them at all costs, as he hasn’t paid them for a number of years and is effectively squatting on the berth. Further on in the conversation I was told “We would be delighted if she removed from the Thames as she has been an eyesore for a number of years. Year in year out we are more and more concerned with her deteriorating condition as she could potentially become a navigational hazard.” I will be going down to see the vessel next week to see her present condition, and try to meet with Mr Jegede, as it seems he no longer resides in France. I will keep you informed Kind regards Mart
Thanks for posting this John. Which forum was it taken from? The photos i have just posted by Dave Wood are dated 13/1/10 and the fwd view shows her still on the bottom? I do hope something can be done by the PLA to put pressure on the owner or to get people involved to save her. I guess at the moment,being on a drying berth, its about the best place for her. Look forward to anymore details/updates.
Dave, Sorry, i ment did you take any photos or see the bridge of the Royal Iris?
Hi Ben, thanks for that. I paid her a visit over the weekend. Here's a few shots of the exterior and interior, including one of the bridge telegraphs. I only found out what they were called a couple of days ago I'm just catching up and saw a wide angle shot of the bridge further on in this thread. I'll see if I've taken any similar shots and post them later. I went a bit over the top with the processing of the exterior shots, because they're going on canvas prints.
Oops! Sorry. Just realised some of mine have been posted already. I'll go through some others later on that haven't been posted. Got to take one of my lads and his mates into town now
this is the text,will sort the link out when i can get it to work.
Good Evening sue I have some good news regarding the royal iris. In the past few days have been in contact with the PLA and the chap who Manages the berth where she’s moored. They both inform me that she has been pumped out and emergency repairs have been made, she i...s now floating at every high tide. I was also informed there has been regular fuel deliveries in the past 4 weeks but only in small quantities. On a more of a frustrating note, I have made contact with owner though a “middle man” who is in regular contact with Mr Jegede. I have been told he will contact me when he has time. After a every lengthy conversation to the PLA. It appears Mr Jegede avoids all communication with them at all costs, as he hasn’t paid them for a number of years and is effectively squatting on the berth. Further on in the conversation I was told “We would be delighted if she removed from the Thames as she has been an eyesore for a number of years. Year in year out we are more and more concerned with her deteriorating condition as she could potentially become a navigational hazard.” I will be going down to see the vessel next week to see her present condition, and try to meet with Mr Jegede, as it seems he no longer resides in France. I will keep you informed Kind regards Mart
Thanks for posting this John. Which forum was it taken from? The photos i have just posted by Dave Wood are dated 13/1/10 and the fwd view shows her still on the bottom? I do hope something can be done by the PLA to put pressure on the owner or to get people involved to save her. I guess at the moment,being on a drying berth, its about the best place for her. Look forward to anymore details/updates.
That post is from Martin. Things are in place to "contact" James shortly. Martin and I are visiting the ship again in a couple of weeks to take some shots of the engine room. There is some hope to get her back up here again, I can assure you
She would have to come back on a barge. A possible site once she is watertight would be Stanley Dock (assuming that the lifting bridge on the dock road will be able to lift when those good friends of our heritage Peel Holdings have repaired it) As far as I know Stanley Dock belongs to British Waterways & is beyond the clutches of Peel.
Wirral businessman’s bid to save Liverpool's Royal Iris
A BUSINESSMAN has revealed he is in negotiations with the owner of the Royal Iris to buy the much-loved historic former ferry.
Known as the “fish and chip” boat, the Royal Iris has lain derelict on the Thames for the last eight years.
The ECHO revealed how she had become flooded on high tides and was in a sorry state.
But the Wirral businessman – who wishes to remain anonymous while negotiations continue – said he hoped to bring the boat back to the Mersey.
He said: “It is not a selfish thing and if others want to become involved they are welcome – but I have spent several years trying to convince the owner of the Royal Iris to sell her to me.
“I visited her again last week and some people had actually repaired the hull so she does not take on water during the high tides.
“As far as I know, they have not been paid for the work, but just did it because they had heard about the state of the vessel.
“Structurally, internally, she is relatively sound, but externally the years have taken their toll.
“I have had quotes for repairing her and towing her to the Mersey, and there are others who would help in this.”
He said if the Royal Iris can be brought back, he hopes to set up a not-for-profit organisation to oversee repairing the boat and allowing her to cruise the Mersey again.
The one-time Mersey ferry is in a perilous state on a mud bank in the Thames and had been taking in water.
Some pics of the Fish & Chip Boat in her 50s heyday.
Amazing shots in the previous post. Those "RM" boards are still there. I presumed all along that the "RM" stood for River Mersey
Who says this site isn't educational?
Also, just a small correction. The two photos captioned 'Main Bar' in my previous post should of course say 'Smoke Room Bar'- the bar as built was obviously slightly different from the one depicted in the concept drawing. I have some photos of the main Cocktail Bar somewhere if I can find them & get around to scanning them.
The owner has said that he will not sell the boat. He says that there is 24hr security on it now. Work is being carried out everyday on it. It did not sink but got stuck in the mud when the tide came in and this needs cleaning. He is talking about using it for 9 months on the Thames and 3 months of the year in Liverpool as as attraction.
I can't believe that this guy thinks he can get the ship into operational condition. At the bare minimum she needs a new bottom, major structural repairs to the aluminium superstructure & new generators.Having been immersed in salt water the generators will be shot & probably the steering gear as well. There is then the problem of the large amount of brown asbestos insulation, which would cost a fortune to remove. If he employed a marine surveyor he would find out the true cost of this project - he would then probably sell the ship !
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we went past the iris in october, didn't get chance to take any pics as we were on rib bombing along the river. will be going again in feb so will try to get some pics then.
I don't understand this at all. She has been there in a bad state for over 10year , I don't know the exact amount of time. Ten years ago she'd had everything ripped out of her and a caravan was on her deck with I assume, someone living in it. Who is hoping to get anything from it by hanging onto it. A bit of a mystery. The chap who owned it, and he may be a different owner now wouldn't release the name Royal Iris to Mersey Ferries and that's why the new boat is named slightly differently. You probably all know this but none of it makes sense when she's being left to rot. The only assumption I could make at the moment is that scrap metal is increasing in price and maybe that's what they are waiting for. It must have cost a fortune keep her in dock all these years. All very strange!
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Check this out and please sign if you really want to try and save this historic and brave little ferry, she deserves better than this. So if there is any lottery winners out there people with money to spare (business folk, etc!) let's do the honourable thing, and sign this to start the ball rolling at least, http://www.royaliris.co.uk
Sorry folks. While I love history and have a huge affection for what the Iris and other boats achieved in both peace and war - I have to say the time is up.
Yes, anything CAN be saved - but to what end? It would cost a fortune even to make the boat seaworthy enough to get her up to Merseyside, and then a huge amount more to adapt her in some way that she would serve a useful function in tourism, training or the like. Time to let her go I think. The boat itself is after all just a lump of badly degraded ironwork. The spirit of the Iris and what she achieved will carry on.
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I think what irks peole the most, is the painful slow death aspect - the sight of her half-submerged, rotting away, in a backwater of the Thames... Mr Jegade really ought to **** or get off the pot, essentially... It really is a heartbreaking sight, for too many local people, what has befallen her. I agree with (I suspect) many in that, regrettable and inevitable as it most likely is, I would rather have her broken up than left to rot.
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The best hope for 'Royal Iris' is for Merseytravel to buy her & plinth her at New Brighton, in a similar way to what they've done with the U-Boat at Woodside. With a reinstated fish & chip bar & dance floor she would make a brilliant attraction. If there is any Merseytravel employee on this forum please mention it to Mr. Scales.
Having read the comments on the link provided, I think it's all very well calling for them to be saved and "given back to Liverpool" but who is going to fund it? I can already hear the moans about their council tax going up. They might be able to apply for a lottery heritage grant or something similar, but what happens when that money runs out?
Where will they put it? It's not like either of them are tiny is it?
Whilst I agree it's a shame, people have to remember that there isn't a bottomless pit of money to "save" everything that is considered heritage or history. It has to come from somewhere.
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After seeing what happened to the Historic Warships which was "The largest collection of 20th century warships in Europe", it would further break peoples hearts to the Royal Iris arrive and then go down the pan.
The Birkenhead Town Hall museum, Giant Grasshopper etc were bright ideas that failed also.
I think I would like to see some more preservation of things that are still here than take on more money pits.
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Having read the comments on the link provided, I think it's all very well calling for them to be saved and "given back to Liverpool" but who is going to fund it? I can already hear the moans about their council tax going up. They might be able to apply for a lottery heritage grant or something similar, but what happens when that money runs out?
Where will they put it? It's not like either of them are tiny is it?
Whilst I agree it's a shame, people have to remember that there isn't a bottomless pit of money to "save" everything that is considered heritage or history. It has to come from somewhere.
Agreed Wench. As much as it would be wonderful to have her back it's a huge gamble. I can tell you that Mersey Ferries/Travel, are not one bit interested in her repatriation and never have been. Where would she berth, at an astronomical cost? With the new developement by Peel Holdings in the offing, the chances are, she would be chased away again in the same way the Historic Warships were told to go. It is too much of a gamble for anyone to take now.
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There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
After seeing what happened to the Historic Warships which was "The largest collection of 20th century warships in Europe", it would further break peoples hearts to the Royal Iris arrive and then go down the pan.
The Birkenhead Town Hall museum, Giant Grasshopper etc were bright ideas that failed also.
I think I would like to see some more preservation of things that are still here than take on more money pits.
I heard that Peel Holdings would be looking for prestigeous offices in Birkenhead (could it be the Town Hall?) Giant Grasshopper is on land belonging to Peel Holdings ! And lets not forget Wirral Council and Reresentatives of Peel Holdings went to China together just a few years ago to sign some deal, which I am not sure what. Yet again all things shut up until everything has gone beyond the point of return. I don't think many would like to argue with Peel Holdings about a berthing place for what they would describe as 'an old boat'.
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The development work on the chinese contract has started, the mobil oil site is getting dismantled which is the where the massive complex is to be located.
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There's a real danger that the left will drag Britain back to the 1970s, with secure well-paid jobs, ample housing, properly-funded NHS and social care, free tuition, student grants, final salary pensions, affordable rail fares and fabulous films and music. David Osland 2025
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
The big problem with preservation of large artefacts is that it is handled by people working for local government etc. ,who don't understand preservation & how to go about it. The new museum at the Pier Head is a prime example of this. I was watching a series of old photos on a screen by the Overhead Railway coach, & one of them was actually back to front !
Apart from the updates available via the link i posted, I'm not sure. I dont realythink much has changed, but its great to see that her 'fate' is a great topic of conversation. whilst i am able to see both sides of the coin so to speak, surely an concerted, well organised effortcould at least be made which would show the 'powers that be' what the little man would like for a change. You would not leave an animal in this position, so lets do or die!!!!!
The Birkenhead Town Hall museum, Giant Grasshopper etc were bright ideas that failed also.I think I would like to see some more preservation of things that are still here than take on more money pits.
I understand that the Giant Grasshopper may be taken on my Merseytravel as one of its increasing portfolio of atractions. They are also looking at the tramway again - but have called in consultants to consider the viability of extending it into Wirral Waters. There had been a plan a year or two ago to extend it to Seacombe Ferry.
Having read the comments on the link provided, I think it's all very well calling for them to be saved and "given back to Liverpool"
What's all this "given back to Liverpool" nonsense. Liverpool never owned any of the ferries; they were Birkenhead Ferries or, in the case of Royal Iris, Wallasey Ferries.
Don't know if the following link has been posted before but it has some great old photographs of many Mersey Ferry boats, including the Royal Iris & Royal Daffodil.
Look half way down the page and you'll see a photo of the "Royal Iris" bus.
Anyone remember when the Royal Iris was used for the location of a Saturday morning TV show called 'The Mersey Pirate'?
Produced by the same company that did Tiswas, it was shown in 1979 but only lasted a few weeks. Featured Duggie Brown, Billy Butler, and Mooey & Scully. Think Frank Carson also appeared in a few episodes as Long John Silver with a stuffed parrot on his shoulder...
Having been on a few vessels in my time, I wish that Royal Iris 11 could just be scrapped as in my opinion it looked an absolute abortion. Than God the bus is no more!
As a former tarry arsed son of Neptune myself there is no sorrier sight then seeing a hulk rusting away, especially one with a bit of history. I wish they would just break these things up and be done with it. You have that thing lying there and the metal thieves are nicking manhole covers, it doesn't make sense.
Joined the site Geekus, good call, cheers. Probably spend more time on there than here.
With regard to the Iris, I chartered her myself once and had the Merseyssippi Jazz Band as the entertainment, a great night. Got denegrated by some for chartering the "Fish & Chip Boat" but they were the ones with the complimentary tickets, cheeky gits. If I remember correctly I got a cheaper rate because I was working on the buses at the time. I hired for the Birkenhead RAOB as a fund raiser.
Hi, an update on the Royal Iris. I popped over to Woolwich yesterday and was shocked to see how much further she has deteriorated. She's lying very low in the water again and there was evidence that water had actually got on board.
I took these (link below) pics about an hour before a 7 metre high tide and you can see how low down she is at the stern. She isn't moving with the current nor with the waves caused by a large ship passing by. A high 11 metre tide could engulf her in my opinion.
I had a long conversation with the owner who still insists she'll be refurbished and putting the blame on the likes of me for putting potential investors off by negative reporting on her. I politely him told that was bollocks and anyone with a pair of eyes could see what shape she's in. I told him that in my view (who hasn't a clue about marine engineering), this is the worst shape I have seen her in since she berthed at Woolwich in 2002.
Later on, I had a conversation with a person who runs a business on the industrial estate next to where it's berthed. He knows a thing or two about ships and according to him, he can't see it lasting another winter. Mind you, I said that 3 yrs ago.
That is a goner, best thing done for that ferry is to scrap what's left and let's just remember how she used to be the Royal Iris, the fish and chip barge.
I'm going to carry on with the petition, but from what I saw of her yesterday and the generator pumping out the water, she's a lost cause. I was always the optimist until this last visit.
There used to be funnel with lots of bullet holes in it at Seacombe ferry prior to the war which I think was from the old Royal Iris which had been kept on display. I think it went for scrap for the war effort.
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Such a shame that the originals have been left to rack and ruin.
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