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Apparently a whole host of psychiatrists/psychologists have got together and are lobbying the American govt , saying Donald Trump is showing worrying signs of madness. The book they wrote on the sufject was published in September and since then , its claimed that thousands of mental health profs from all over the world , have added their agreement and support.

Certainly if he goes ahead and recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he must be, as surely it will light the blue touch paper in the middle east? Palestinians arent blameless or perfect, but I believe in their cause more than the Israelis'.


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You don't need to be a professor of anything to know Donald is not a full shilling smile

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Trump mad? That's an insult on all the mentally ill.....

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Difficult to tell what is truth and what is media hype.


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It would seem there is a lot of truth from his tweets. First hand admission of guilt !

How a bunch of psychiatrists etc. can make rational conclusions and judgement to give professional opinions about his madness without meeting, him is also madness.

My suggestion would be that he's irrational with a touch of stupid, and pepper of ignorance mixed in with a dollop of twisted views. If that makes a cocktail of madness, then yes ,he is !

I agree with your opinion on Jerusalem, Venice. As you say that would be the crowning glory for destruction of world peace. The Israelis drag every bugger from the West into their cause, and then the Arab nations retaliate.

Every other MP is member of Friends of Israel. How's that for silencing peoples political viewpoints, and creating artificial favour towards Israel's policies. Another form of control from a distance.


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Duty to Warn doesn't claim that Trump is mad, they claim he is mentally unfit to be President, I think most people would fit in that category.

Then the media did their version.


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She was on France Today , and she and one of the others she was discussing with certainly seemed to be saying 'mad' and the Independant quotes from the book itself as below

Led by Yale psychiatrist Dr Bandy Lee, 27 writers hold forth in a new book that also claims “his madness is catching”.

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All fake news.
Media is trying to cover up or distract everyone from what is really going on with Clinton and Russian scandal.
As usual they focus on president Trump.

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Jordan urges US not to recognise Jerusalem as Israel capital


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-42218042


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Originally Posted by venice
Certainly if he goes ahead and recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he must be, as surely it will light the blue touch paper in the middle east? Palestinians arent blameless or perfect, but I believe in their cause more than the Israelis'.



Well, he's gone and done it ! Basically, he's just committed to starting a massive war , one way or another, and that chap sitting in Israel is rubbing his hand in glee. Give it time and we'll see the rewards. It's as if the yanks don't want to come out of the Middle East...just carry on bombing everyone as the Israelis continue to do (but don't always admit to it) .



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He's also put the future of the United Nations and maybe other international agencies at risk.

Would the UN risk taking sanctions against the USA or can they effectively risk saying that the USA can do what it likes.

The UN's viewpoint is "Jerusalem as Israel's "eternal and indivisible capital, was a violation of international law" although the USA abstained on the vote for that resolution, it was passed.


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I can't understand how one leader of one country can be seen to enforcing this. If it was Bulgaria saying the same, everyone would tell them not to be so stupid.
How can USA do this ?


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He's not enforcing anything, he's stating his country's status, no other country has to go along with it. However he is in breach of UN agreements.


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He must know that though. So what could his philosophy be ?


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He did say a while ago he wanted to reduce the USA contributions to the UN and make the other countries pay their fair share. Perhaps its something to do with that as well as the more obvious issues of money and business.

He's definitely another war mongerer, a lot of a country's internal problems get swept under the carpet when they are at war. The antagonism of Russia is ridiculous, I think he's calling Putin's bluff because he doesn't think Russia have enough money to do something serious.

If he thinks sticking an American Embassy in Jerusalem will prevent any attacks he should look at history.


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Originally Posted by granny

He must know that though. So what could his philosophy be ?


Well this "Jerusalem should be the capital" stuff is always in the background in the US isnt it, didnt their Congress rule that that should be the case a few presidents ago , but put a clause in that the implementation could always be deferred for six months indefinitely.

So, it comes up every six months to be reviewed .Previous presidents have rubber stamped the deferral -- I reckon that Trump has been thwarted on so many of his promises made before election, that he thinks this is one he can appear to be keeping , whilst not actually going ahead with , using the excuse of deferral for one reason or another .

That apparent promise will win him a lot of serious brownie points with the Jewish lobby groups , and he might be hoping he can use it to lure votes from Jewish democrats to support his dwindling Republican vote too.

His move also means it will cause trouble in the middle east, so maybe he wants the US to have a refreshed reason to hang around there interfering . Wars are very good for US economy.

Also ,the US already have a consulate in Jerusalem- if he was serious in going ahead with this , he could easily have transformed that into a temporary Embassy whilst he built his new one. It could all be political hot air.



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It could be political hot air, but in the meantime there are people fighting in the streets again, probably injuries and deaths to follow.
The situation will no doubt develop into another atrocity if Israelis have their way, and with divide amongst people gives the necessary void for IS to move in, as they have in so many more countries that have been divided in recent years.

Kim in North Korea has also said there will be war now, just a case of when. How can the US afford all these wars ? They'll drag everyone else in too. But hey, all the people in the US will be safe away from harm, yet again. Just let the remainder of the world pick up the slack


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He's got Jewish family and probably been influenced by the Christian Zionists in the USA. Thing is his statement doesn't actually make Jerusalem the capital of Israel. Pity the Palestinians didnt just take the p out of him. A calculated statement to deliberately raise tensions?

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