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New Ferry Park this morning:- "Absolutely no words. Feeling upset and distressed. My son has just come across a burnt dead cat in the park. Looks like some vile excuse of a human has set the poor cat alight and tried to put it out with the blanket. I have reported this to the RSPCA"
" Absolutely disgusting, so upset by this. My husband rescued a cat in Port Sunlight a few weeks ago as a group of youths were trying to attack it or catch it in a wheelie bin - my husband got hit in the face twice but atleast we rescued the cat, which happened to be our neighbours' who we know well"
Just two of many incidents, should the people that do these things not be prosecuted or should the message be to carry on doing what they are doing?
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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"I didn't say there weren't any differences, I said there were parallels, in fact I would say there are many parallels."
I would say there are none.
There is no intention of extermination from farmers, unlike concentration camps.
Animals are treated well by good farmers, but very badly by 'good' concentration camp guards.
Animals are neither starved nor left untreated if ill - both the norm in concentration camps
Animals are bred in farms. Concentration camps sterilised their charges.
Animals are farmed for money. Concentration camps cost money to run.
In farms, the intention is to maximise profit, and that means the animals have to be treated well. The exact reverse of what goes on in concentration camps.
Any 'parallels' stem from a delusion that animals have (or should have) human rights which is total nonsense. Right are given in exchange for obligations and often need t be defended which animals cannot comprehend or fulfill.
None of this means ill-treatment should be allowed. It shouldn't of course, but establishing laws to prevent it (which I strongly support) doesn't involve conferring any 'rights' in the human sense.
Its the ultimate betrayal to be looked after yet your " parent" then sends you to slaughter on a truck. But theyre just a commodity. Animal genocide outweighs ANY human atrocity ever. Billions die every year and its only mans ego thats asigned their lack of value. Empathy for dogs horses cats lions. Apathy for chickens cows pigs etc. This is at the heart of all our problems and why we will never be free of our violence to each other. Specieism is the tree from which racism homophobia sexism slavery etc etc etc branches from. As tolstoy said " as long as theres slaughter houses, therell be battlefields " Animals are sentient beings but we give them no rights cause WE say so. Not cause they dont deserve it. The WORSE species on earth & most destructive is the human. Yet we still follow the invisible man in an old book and in the sky. Were very dumb. You need to take time to listen " the greatest speech youll ever hear " on youtube by gary yourofsky. He speaks undeniable logic.
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Another RSPCA story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43813364. Horses getting bought for paltry sums of money but the first vet bill is too much. Never mind how anti-RSPCA you are, can you really think that someone that inhumanely dumps a sick pregnant horse should not be prosecuted?
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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"I didn't say there weren't any differences, I said there were parallels, in fact I would say there are many parallels."
I would say there are none.
There is no intention of extermination from farmers, unlike concentration camps.
Animals are treated well by good farmers, but very badly by 'good' concentration camp guards.
Animals are neither starved nor left untreated if ill - both the norm in concentration camps
Animals are bred in farms. Concentration camps sterilised their charges.
Animals are farmed for money. Concentration camps cost money to run.
In farms, the intention is to maximise profit, and that means the animals have to be treated well. The exact reverse of what goes on in concentration camps.
Any 'parallels' stem from a delusion that animals have (or should have) human rights which is total nonsense. Right are given in exchange for obligations and often need t be defended which animals cannot comprehend or fulfill.
None of this means ill-treatment should be allowed. It shouldn't of course, but establishing laws to prevent it (which I strongly support) doesn't involve conferring any 'rights' in the human sense.
Its the ultimate betrayal to be looked after yet your " parent" then sends you to slaughter on a truck. But theyre just a commodity. Animal genocide outweighs ANY human atrocity ever. Billions die every year and its only mans ego thats asigned their lack of value. Empathy for dogs horses cats lions. Apathy for chickens cows pigs etc. This is at the heart of all our problems and why we will never be free of our violence to each other. Specieism is the tree from which racism homophobia sexism slavery etc etc etc branches from. As tolstoy said " as long as theres slaughter houses, therell be battlefields " Animals are sentient beings but we give them no rights cause WE say so. Not cause they dont deserve it. The WORSE species on earth & most destructive is the human. Yet we still follow the invisible man in an old book and in the sky. Were very dumb. You need to take time to listen " the greatest speech youll ever hear " on youtube by gary yourofsky. He speaks undeniable logic.
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Must have missed reading this at the time. --Great post Svenlock. You are ahead of your time--- a time Id love to see , but Ill die way before it comes, if it comes - human nature seems to be taking a turn for the worse atm from what I read and hear about. Selfish selfish selfish.
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Another RSPCA story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43813364. Horses getting bought for paltry sums of money but the first vet bill is too much. Never mind how anti-RSPCA you are, can you really think that someone that inhumanely dumps a sick pregnant horse should not be prosecuted? Absolutely nauseating . New it was bad with lots of horses needing rehoming , but didnt realize the extent of the neglect and cruelty . Almost routine it would seem. Yes I think we have to prosecute such things.
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