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Not in hours, it doesn't work like that, there is quite a bit of money involved and needs trust to be built up. The supply will be suddenly and severely limited, trust breaks down as well which helps.

Its much harder to stop the top end than the bottom end, just confiscate and keep confiscating, you don't even need to lock up the street level dealers, if they lose drugs its harder for them to re-stock, if they lose them twice there will be virtually no chance.

The price shoots up very fast when supplies are threatened, if its done as a program the price will totally skyrocket, addicts have a choice of stringing out or going on a program.

There are loads of low level dealers the police must know about, there are many are by main roads where you see the stream of druggies and taxis through the day and night.



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Precisely as I mentioned. No one did anything, and the little guy grew into the big guy. Then they forgot about the little guy and chased the big guy, who got bigger and out of control, at the same time the little guys went forth and multiplied. Until the kids on the bikes were involved, racing around the housing estates and we find it in schools and teachers dabble and police and politicians snort cocaine and it is in all society.
The children of today will, without doubt, be the greatest of users and your ideas of control DD, are not fast enough or efficient enough to even scratch the surface or put a time scale on such an operation of success.

The world is now awash with one drug or another and the fight is over.


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Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Theresa May is certainly on my mind, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Cameron and May have possibly driven this country up a irreversible financial dead-end. I didn't fully realise the extent of it until running some figures last night.

Giving drugs to druggies solves absolutely nothing, the amount of violence will increase not decrease. A lot of druggies when they are not completely off their skulls keep their heads down because they want to be able to get their next fix, if they know they can get their next fix regardless, it changes the whole pattern of self-control.

The majority of methadone that is handed out is not used to help people to get off other drugs, its used as a stop-gap before they can get their next fix of the real stuff. It is helping them maintain continuity of drug use. Yes, in a small number of cases some druggies use it instead of other drugs most of the use is not that.

Just get the price of drugs out of reach and the whole problem of drugs and associated crime will be resolved. Stuff trying to get "Mr Big", hit it at street level, Mr Big will soon be out of business, he can't instantly rebuild trustworthy reliable supply chains overnight.

Its not difficult to find the street level dealers, ask any cabby, follow any smack-head, track mobiles and payphone use.




What's that got to do with smack heads ?

I must also remind you that almost 15 yrs of Labour Government actually destroyed this country ,along with rules from the EU which we had to abide by, and still do.
2010 to 2015 was a Coalition Government, 2015 to 2016 was Cameron, 2016 to 2017 (less than 12 months) was Mrs May, so how you can blame them for drug related problems I am not really sure .
Maybe we should blame Blair for encouraging University education for as many as possible, where the places are rife with drugs, and how whole streets of houses were bought up by outsiders like people from London and Manchester( foreigners who don't pay interest on mortgages) where families had previously lived, but were then rented out for student accommodation with guaranteed income and investments. Thus making the housing market shortage for families and homes more expensive, resulting in not enough homes to house the 3 million migrants he allowed in from the EU , or our own families who were last on the list. Communities destroyed and part time work to keep the unemployment figures down and give opportunities to the EU migrants for employment. Traitor ! Once the bubble burst, he disappeared and swanned off into the moonlight taking his millions and wifey with him after buying numerous properties before he fled.
HE , had every chance in the book to make a success of this country and he failed badly, don't make the Tories or any other party the scapegoats for the things that went so drastically wrong under his and Browns watch. (of which we are still picking up the bits)
Foodbanks introduced in UK in 2004 are in many countries , in 2014 France had twice as many as UK, and Germany were feeding 1.5 million people per day. Another political tool to step nearer bloody Kibbutzism.... i.e. living collectively.

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They were two separate subjects responding to two different comments.

The low level dealers are just so easy to find, it would be like picking apples off a tree,


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The low level dealers are usually users, and are being dealt with in the community.They get a couple of unannounced visits a week or are asked their whereabouts on a random basis and told to stay there until verified with a visit.when they fit an MO for a burglary they have to prove they are not the person who committed the offence. Forensics usually prove them liars and guilty. The only thing you could do to stop it is lock them up and throw away the key.Yes they are known to the police, who put them in front of a judge on a regular basis.The comment about getting rid of 60% of the police force is farcical.An answer to everything solutions to nowt.

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If there was no drug (including alcohol) related crime you could get rid of 60% of the police.


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Back on topic ish
28 Coptic Christians killed many children and women in a bus bomb attack.

That was about it... a one liner on a news report.

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Do you mean
Many Coptic Christians children and women killed in a bus bomb attack.

or as I read it
It was 28 Coptic Christians who killed many children and women in a bus bomb attack.

not nit-picking but would like to know
Presume it's the first version


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On 26 May, 28 Copts en route to a monastery near Cairo were dragged from their vehicles and executed by gunmen after refusing to recite the shahada – the primary Muslim profession of faith.


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On the news this morning, the police and security services say they can find no record of phone calls made warning of the radicalisation of the Manchester bomber.

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On the news this morning, the police and security services say they can find no record of phone calls made warning of the radicalisation of the Manchester bomber.


Now that's a surprise, not !

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Unfortunately i was right....
The laughable thing is dumb people want to vote in the idiot that did nothing while home sec'
Useless useless woman

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