Ok I couldn't upload a PDF file here so here's a link to the one I wanted people to see.......... http://www.mediafire.com/view/?xq93v6ctkn4q933 ....... Please click on 'Page Width' and knock it down to 100% so its easy to read.........If you can be bothered to read it you should be a little worried. Please have a look as this WILL impact on you or your family sooner or later.......
Read the whole blurb and and make an effort to show up, even if you drive past very slowly .
This is just another cost cutting exercise where we will be forced to accept the Tories misguided plans for the NHS........
The really sad part is that everyone I've sent this mail to won't bother because they expect someone else will do it for them.
They have more important things to do like.......whatever.
Well don't forget people, when it's gone, it's gone.
It's not coming back..............

Hate is a strange thing, especially when in the written word, it really comes out well and people can see and feel it and tend to turn away and do other things, just thinking aloud.

Am I missing something? Where is the word 'hate' written?

Spouting your own opinion of a political party isn't going help you get your message across, especially when you believe the message is important, your supposed to be trying to reach all, it comes out as hate, as I don't have anything important to tell people it's my opinion

Sorry Dave but I completely disagree with you. There is nothing hateful in either the post or the link.

This is a very serious issue and everybody on the Wirral should be fighting for the cardio vascular services to stay here.

Thank you for posting this link Stranger, I'll see you there on Saturday.

I saw it that way as soon as I read it, it could be why nobody is bothered about what Strangers message is trying to get out.

Stranger has too many presumptions in his message and that's the problem I think. Because you don't have a problem with things doesn't mean you are not bothered, you are entitled to your own opinion and reaction. He just disses people for not agreeing with his view point, the usual left wing reaction.

Hi, I hope they DONT move the vascular unit to chester because 21 months ago i had a major stroke and if it was not for the stroke unit being at arrowe park I would not be here today!!.I cant thank enough DR chan and the stroke team and arrowe park for SAVING my LIFE as well as others on the wirral!. Time is a factor when someone is having a stroke they need medical treatment fast SO if the vascular/stroke unit moves to chester and say someone suffers a stroke in new brighton thats a long way and time to go which is not good odds against the patient!. SO keep the vascular unit at arrowe park!.

I think I read somewhere a couple of months ago about them trying to move another service
to Liverpool or Chester so they can give us a better service here on Wirral.[u][/u]

The only 'presumption' I have is that most people can't be bothered. A simple fact of life today.
How many people have you heard complaining about an issue and when they're given an opportunity to do something about it use all the excuses in the book to do something else ? I don't quite understand this statement.
Surely if you don't have a problem with something does mean you are not bothered about it. Always.
I am not 'dissing' anybody and your comment about 'a left wing reaction' is laughable.
For the record I am totally apolitical.
It is my opinion that the vast majority of politicians are only there for what they personally can gain, not what they can gain for the public.
It is also my view that the NHS should never be used as a political tool. We have the best health service on the planet and should protect it.
The Tories plans for the NHS are quite simply frightening and must be opposed. Introducing Private Healthcare companies stinks of Americanism to me,
where people get rich at the expense of the sick.
We are heading towards a two tier Health System just like America. Where health is big bucks, where you need insurance against being ill.
Is that what we want ?
Lets be honest, the way things are going most of us can barely afford car insurance

Tories....? Labour......? Anyone else....? They are all as bad as each other....

I could go on about hard working supporting the lazy, immigtation, crime etc etc etc, its all been said before.

That would be Clatterbridge Oncology Centre.
See Here

Stuy, indeed, no point wasting your breath - you will never get through to people who think that The Government pays for things. You might as well be speaking in Greek.

I urge as mant wickies as possible to turn up at the Cherry Orchard pub (opposite Landican cemetery ) on saturday morning at 11 am for a march and rally at Arrowe Park hospital, we may not win but if we do nothing then there's no chance of keeping the cardio vascular unit here, do your best please.Bennie.

It's quite scary what the Tories and their Lib Dem lackeys are doing to the NHS. There is almost no support for their plans among the NHS staff. Most of them are horrified by what's going on. The only people who seem to be happy are American Healthcare companies who must be rubbing their hands with glee at some juicy contracts. We'll only miss the NHS when it's been ripped to shreds by this disgusting excuse for a government.

Not to say that Labour were much better as they continued Thatcher's NHS privatisations of the 1980s. I'm in London on Saturday so can't go on the march but good luck. Hope it's a good turnout.

It didn't used to be like this but they all seem to have merged into one right-wing mass. No wonder there's so much apathy across the country.

Yes, and we never seem to get a Communist candidate to vote for these days.

Just someone a little bit left-of-centre would be a start.

My Grandfather was in the Liverpool Communist Party back in the 1940s.

So your advert has sadly turned into hate of a political party without figuring out who the culprits are, if you think 13 years of Labour control of the NHS has made them so innocent, ask Lord Adonis and the Doctors union why they wanted to group practices into mini hospitals and why they want to group medical expertise in one place only, eggs and basket come to mind and why do they believe that they will save more lives this way and please don't give me the NHS is the finest in the world , how many countries have a similar NHS to this one ,I'm really sad as this could have brought lots of locals to go and show how we feel but I won't be going, call me what you want, we all lose.

People who claim how bad it is that Private Industry is involved in healthcare, who do you think invents, designs, makes and maintains all of the equipment (and the drugs etc) that are used to treat billions of people? The flippin' government? The thousands of NHS "managers"?
Get real people, there would BE no healthcare without private industry! How advanced would things like full-color 3D imaging be, if it was up to the government to provide it?
And heaven FORBID they should actually make any profit from it, these evil capitalist swine! They should rely on the government to provide all their R&D funds, there! that'd really make it more efficient, now wouldn't it?

That argument could be turned around. There wouldn't be any workers for these companies if the State didn't educate them, keep them healthy, provide infrastructure like roads so they can get to work etc. Companies themselves are able to use this infrastructure to transport goods around their country. Their property, both intellectual and physical, is protected by State in the form of the Police and the legal system.

I'm not against private enterprise, or even against making profits. It's just that certain sections of the economy shouldn't be open to profit: healthcare, public transport, energy, education.

I don't really care about which party is currently in Government or other peoples personal political persuasions. But all of us on the Wirral should care about the cardio vascular moving to Chester.

Please turn up on Saturday and show your support, there's still a chance (albeit a small one) that we can stop this.

I don't think that this should be construed as a political issue, as some have noted, most politicians and certainly all parties are as bad as each other.
This is simply a matter of right and wrong.

As you seem to be missing my point and at the risk of repeating myself let me make this absolutely clear.
1.This is not my advert it was simply something emailed to me that I thought the good people of WikiWirral should know about.
2. This is Tory policy, nobody elses. I didn't invent it the Tories did. So logically the 'culprits' as you call them would appear to be, yes you guessed it.......Tory !
3. Opposing this policy has nothing to do with hate or hatred. Understand ?
4.If you read my previous posts you would realize that I am apolitical, which means I am politically neutral.
Also,I am on record as saying all parties are as bad as each other. This should tell you that assumptions that I am a Labour (or any other party) supporter are at the best misguided.
So, following along logically, why would I think 13 years of Labour control of the NHS has made them so innocent ?

Also, I don't have to ask Lord Adonis or the Doctors Union anything because practices are being transfered to 'mini hospitals' right now, today.

BTW.....What is it with you and 'hate' ?

Well, i must have my little bit of input. Sorry! Is it correct that it is the Vascular Surgery Unit going to Chester and not the whole Vascular Dept?

I have found this document on the internet which would indicate that the whole process has been going on much much longer than the last 2 years. So some may, or may not be climbing the wrong political tree. I did find it hard to believe, that all this could have transpired from the initial proposal within a couple of years. These endeavours take many years to come to completion.
Anyway, if I have it wrong, please let me know after you have read the link, and apologise in advance.

http://www.gmpublichealthpracticeun...ds/2010/01/2009-Vascular-surgery-012.pdf

Here it is , quote from Liverpool Echo.....


A vascular service will still be provided at Arrowe Park, where patients will go their for their first appointments and straight- forward surgery.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/live...omplex-vascular-surgery-100252-31424207/

Personally, if there was a more specialized centre for more serious vascular surgery, I wouldn't be complaining,even if it was much further away, and rather Countess of Chester than the Liverpool Royal.
IMOP. Mr McFadden is just a trouble maker.

Having said that, so far as Clatterbridge is concerned, that would be a different viewpoint, if they should move the Oncology Centre to Fazakerly..

Thanks, granny, for that piece from the Echo. I must say that when I read the clip in the first post by Stranger, I was suspicious when I saw it was plastered with UNITE logos.