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Posted By: johncon CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:41pm
Any one got any views about the oncology unit being moved from clatterbridge to liverpool myself i think it is a disgrace it is a state of the art unit that all on the wirral should be proud of
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Posted By: StuyMac Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:50pm
Is there a news link for this Jon?
Posted By: Sallybear Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:50pm
Don't be angry, they are thinking about this as a benefit to patients. My mum is lucky she lives in North Sefton and if she had any other cancer she would have to travel to Clatterbridge, as it is she is being treated at the Marina Dalglish centre at Fazackerley, it's much easier to get to, and when you are undergoing chemotherapy or radio therapy a long journey is that last thing you need or want.

Liverpool is easier to get to for many people from the Wirral than CLatterbridge is anyway, it's hardly central.

I think it would be better if they could share the facilities and benefit both sides of the river.
Posted By: Sallybear Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:52pm
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/9165368.Will_Wirral_lose_its_world_renowned_cancer_unit_/
Posted By: johncon Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:53pm
Originally Posted by StuyMac
Is there a news link for this Jon?

just read it in the wirral news mate
Posted By: StuyMac Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:53pm
Clatterbridge also serves North Wales and up to Manchester - what about the distance those patients will have to travel - liverpool is hardly central for them think

If the Oncology is world renowned, why move it? If it goes, what next, shut Clatterbridge totally?
Posted By: Sallybear Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:56pm
Manchester patients have a hospital there, my mum was offered the choice of Clatterbridge or Manchester, then she secured a place at the MD centre.

Im just saying it's not bad it's just trying to accommodate the most people, they should be able to find a way of sharing the facilities across various locations.
Posted By: johncon Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:57pm
my dad was treated at clatterbridge until he lost his fight but the people were fantastic and facilities second to none so why try to fix whats not broken ?
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:57pm
Fazackerly Hospital already seem to have a Oncology Dept. 'connected to Clatterbridge- is this where they propose to move all Wirral based Oncology to?
If so, I would be disgusted. Its an hour trip, one way via train.
Posted By: StuyMac Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 7:59pm
If you share the facilities, you share responsibilty which I guess will in the end thin out the level of care.

Its a specialist oncology unit, I see no reason to move it especially when they are doing such a good job there. What if people dont want to move with the job - will there be the same level of expertise? think
Posted By: johncon Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 8:20pm
Originally Posted by StuyMac
If you share the facilities, you share responsibilty which I guess will in the end thin out the level of care.

Its a specialist oncology unit, I see no reason to move it especially when they are doing such a good job there. What if people dont want to move with the job - will there be the same level of expertise? think

why change things when they have got it so right ! so long developing it and then to take it away does not make sense
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Posted By: Silverback Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 9:30pm
Money in it for some one, don't know where, but I'll bet there's some brown envelope swapping going on!
Posted By: Wench Re: CCO unit - 4th Aug 2011 11:30pm
It should never have been closed as much as it has been IMO. It was a much better hospital than APH can EVER be!

I know they are replacing one of the Imaging machines in the Nuclear Medicine Department as I need a bone scan at the Oncology Centre and have been offered 3 other hospitals for it because my scan can't wait.

I was born in Clatterbridge, had several operations there as a child and they saved my life in my teens so I have nothing but praise for Clatterbridge.
Posted By: Handbag Re: CCO unit - 5th Aug 2011 12:34am
I am really disgusted with what is happening to the hospitals in Wirral, there has recently been news that the vascular department is to close at arrowe park, so any major surgeries requiring vascular surgeons will now have to go to the countess of chester hospital, I also heard on the news that arrowe park hospital was closed due to norovirus but that 'the women and childrens hospital on the same site was't affected', when did theysneak that through and split the maternity unit from the rest of the hospital? Is this about seperating the non-profit making parts from the rest? I can't believe that Clatterbridge ocology is going to vanish too, its known countrywide for being a center of excellence, exactly how much of wirrals health service is going to be left? Just shows exactly how well thought of the people of Wirral are by this conservative government!!
Posted By: Volly Re: CCO unit - 5th Aug 2011 6:12am
Anyone on the Wirral can get to Clatterbridge faster than they can get to Fazakerly - not sure how Fazakerly is easier to get to? Doesn't make much sense really.

I was diagnosed with cancer in January this year, had all my Chemo and tests/treatments/scans e.t.c. up at Clatterbridge.

There's no way I would have been able to cope with the trip home from Fazakerly after the Chemo sessions - not a chance.
Only just lasted from Clatterbridge without collapsing before getting home.

As far as I was aware, they told me in March that there was a new centre opening over in Liverpool but it wasn't going to affect Clatterbridge.
They were supposed to be like sister hospitals running alongside each other.
Not sure what's changed but it'll be a damn shame and a huge loss if they do move it from Clatterbridge.
Posted By: Sallybear Re: CCO unit - 5th Aug 2011 6:57am
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Anyone on the Wirral can get to Clatterbridge faster than they can get to Fazakerly - not sure how Fazakerly is easier to get to? Doesn't make much sense really.


If you are lucky enough to have a car perhaps Clatterbridge is closer, but with public transport from our home in Oxton Fazakerly is closer.

Anyway I was actually trying to say that it's easier to get to Liverpool City Centre than it is to get to Clatterbridge, or even Arrowe Park for that matter.
Posted By: StuyMac Re: CCO unit - 5th Aug 2011 8:14am
Geographically, Clatterbridge is much more central than Fazakerly for its "catchment" area.

Fazakerly is also a good few miles from Liverpool City Center think
Posted By: little_pob Re: CCO unit - 5th Aug 2011 9:54am
Originally Posted by Handbag
I am really disgusted with what is happening to the hospitals in Wirral, there has recently been news that the vascular department is to close at arrowe park, so any major surgeries requiring vascular surgeons will now have to go to the countess of chester hospital, I also heard on the news that arrowe park hospital was closed due to norovirus but that 'the women and childrens hospital on the same site was't affected', when did theysneak that through and split the maternity unit from the rest of the hospital? Is this about seperating the non-profit making parts from the rest? I can't believe that Clatterbridge ocology is going to vanish too, its known countrywide for being a center of excellence, exactly how much of wirrals health service is going to be left? Just shows exactly how well thought of the people of Wirral are by this conservative government!!

Women and children's hospital is still part of WUTH, it's just the new name for the Duchess of Westminster wing.

Vascular services for the whole of the Cheshire and Merseyside were reviewed a while back. As more concentrated services are proven to improve skills and patient outcome, the key decision of the review was to suggest that "about two" vascular centres was optimal for the Cheshire and Merseyside area. Liverpool Heart and Chest is the obvious choice for one, which would leave COCH, WUTH, RL&BUH etc fighting to be the remaining choice. WUTH and COCH decided, seemingly at board level, to put forward a joint application with services centred at COCH. It was the lack of clinician input in this joint venture that lead to the vote of no confidence.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: CCO unit - 5th Aug 2011 10:23am
Originally Posted by Silverback
Money in it for some one, don't know where, but I'll bet there's some brown envelope swapping going on!


You have such a cynical view on life. Fat cats sitting in their massive leather chairs handing each other envelopes without a care in the world for anyone who is affected...

Unfortunately you can't please everyone and it may be that this is a cost cutting exercise which stems from way above the NHS. Perhaps if they didn't cut the oncology unit at Clatterbridge then they'd have to cut services elsewhere which is far more detrimental than a trip through the Mersey Tunnel.

People are so quick to jump on anything and everything at the moment, and yes in an ideal world there'd be funding for everyone and every single thing - unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world and there are decisions to be made.
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