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Posted By: bert1 The Blackout - 16th Jun 2011 1:59pm
On the 1st of September 1939 two days before the start of Britain's involvement in WW2 an order previously declared by the government that Britain would observe a Blackout. In short all lights before sunset should be extinguished or Blacked out as not to aid the Germans on their bombing missions.
Households had to cover there windows and doors etc with Blackout curtains or blinds, cardboard, paint, anything that would block light completely. It was even frowned upon to smoke outside for fear the glow from the cigarette could be seen from thousands of feet by bomber crews.
ARP and Police patrols kept a constant vigil for anyone not observing the Blackout, heavy fines and sometimes a prison sentence for persistent offenders would follow.
Public places such as pubs and cinemas had to devise methods of allowing the public to leave the premises without showing any light. Cars and street lights were fitted with deflectors to deflect the light down, even then they could only be very dimly lit.
Inevitably what was meant to save life cost many due to road accidents and mainly the elderly trying to get around in the dark. Thousands lost their lives due to the Blackout but many more lives were saved because of it.
Owing to the large loss of life through accidents, especially road and pedestrian related, the Pedestrian Association lobbied the government to have white lines painted at the sides of roads and white stripes painted on lampposts, this was done and accidents reduced. It was also recommended that pedestrians walk facing the traffic, it was also suggested that men walk with their shirt tail hanging outside their trousers, anything to be seen.
Posted By: polo_phil Re: The Blackout - 16th Jun 2011 2:02pm
Is that where 'walk into oncoming traffic' originated then?... very interesting Mr Bert smile
Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 16th Jun 2011 2:24pm
Originally Posted by polo_phil
Is that where 'walk into oncoming traffic' originated then?... very interesting Mr Bert smile


Most likely did Phil.
Another thing worth mentioning, it was recommend, if paint was being used for blacking out of windows, black paint alone wasn't good enough, a coat of white paint first then followed by black.
Also blast protection from flying glass, a lot of people simply stuck tape across their windows and some had nets, even though the blast could be far enough away not to damage the building, glass was the weak point and would often get blown in.
Posted By: polo_phil Re: The Blackout - 16th Jun 2011 2:29pm
Wow Bert... you blow my mind laugh
Posted By: Anonymous Re: The Blackout - 16th Jun 2011 2:54pm
Into the late '50's/early 60's you could still see the white bands they painted on the TREES in Singleton Avenue !!

The Mersey Railway trains had shoeguards fitted, so that the flash from the positive shoes on the live rail couldn't been seen from above. Never really been convinced on how efficient THAT sketch was.

Posted By: starakita Re: The Blackout - 16th Jun 2011 2:58pm
Originally Posted by bert1
Originally Posted by polo_phil
Is that where 'walk into oncoming traffic' originated then?... very interesting Mr Bert smile


Most likely did Phil.
Another thing worth mentioning, it was recommend, if paint was being used for blacking out of windows, black paint alone wasn't good enough, a coat of white paint first then followed by black.
Also blast protection from flying glass, a lot of people simply stuck tape across their windows and some had nets, even though the blast could be far enough away not to damage the building, glass was the weak point and would often get blown in.
we were talking to a lady a few years ago who lived in the house next to ours & she said the windows got blown out she said a girl round the corner died but as far as I know there was only bomb damage on mount road.
Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 3:41pm
Have you had your carrots

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Posted By: Anonymous Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 4:38pm
Originally Posted by starakita
[quote=bert1] as far as I know there was only bomb damage on mount road.


If that's Mount Road, Wallasey then the only people to die was on Pleasant Street, off Mount Pleasant Road.
Posted By: starakita Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 6:33pm
Originally Posted by PaulWirral
Originally Posted by starakita
[quote=bert1] as far as I know there was only bomb damage on mount road.


If that's Mount Road, Wallasey then the only people to die was on Pleasant Street, off Mount Pleasant Road.
sorry it was mount road in tranmere
Posted By: Snodvan Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 8:07pm
When were the blackout regulations lifted?

I ask because I am sure I can (just) remember the blackout. I must have been very, very, young. However, I clearly remember a lot of banging on the front door and shouting etc - because I had been shining a torch through the blackout curtains. I remember mum coming into the room and taking it off me.

Snod
Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 8:19pm
Naughty Snod, that would be a policeman or ARP warden coming to get you.
Late 1944 it went from Blackout to Dim out on the understanding in the event of air raid warnings it went to complete blackout. In April 1945 the lights returned.
Posted By: Snodvan Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 8:23pm
Then it is perfectly possible that I really do remember the event. By April '45 I would be 3 years old. I recally the "worry" that mum had was that the torch concerned was fairly large and that (and the scarce wartime batteries) were almost certainly "ex-army" - if you know what I mean

Snod
Posted By: Historybook Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 8:58pm
I can remember that even in the 60's and 70's people still had white painted rear mudgards on their bikes !,
Posted By: TheDr Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 9:11pm
Originally Posted by Historybook
I can remember that even in the 60's and 70's people still had white painted rear mudgards on their bikes !,


I remember in the mid/late 80's pulling a bike out of the cellar in a Halfords I was working at which had the white paint at the end of the muguards (old Raleigh bike, black with rod brakes) I just thought it was the colour scheme, makes sense now (only took 25 years)
Posted By: Historybook Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 9:30pm
LOL on the Halfords bike !,

One thing that i often wonderd about but never asked about at the time was why there was a faded painted rectangle behind the "Neston" in the company name on my grandfathers asbestos clad works shed, then about twenty years ago the penny finaly dropped...the name must have been painted out during the war!.
Even though the building had passed to someone else it could still be seen until the 80's when the shed was reclad.
Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 17th Jun 2011 9:56pm
Originally Posted by Snodvan
Then it is perfectly possible that I really do remember the event. By April '45 I would be 3 years old. I recally the "worry" that mum had was that the torch concerned was fairly large and that (and the scarce wartime batteries) were almost certainly "ex-army" - if you know what I mean

Snod


Due to the number of accidents, the government eased up a little and allowed pedestrians to have a torch whilst walking in the dark, only to be shone downwards and for the beam to dimmed by covering the lens with paper or the like, the only problem was, there was a shortage of batteries, so people scuttled around in the dark anyway.
To help motorists, white lines were painted down the center of roads, which we still have today.
Posted By: Historybook Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 8:41am
I think white lines in the road's started out in the 1920's, but i'm sure i read somewhere they where made of a reflective material but before the war it was little more than a thick white paint.
Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 8:58am
Absolutely right Historybook, the first lines were used about 1918/20 ish, mainly on major roads, to help in the blackout, lines were painted on minor roads that normally wouldn't have had them, also lines in the gutter to help pedestrians.
Posted By: chriskay Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 9:36am
Originally Posted by bert1
In April 1945 the lights returned.


I remember that. I was 8 at the time and I remember going out into the road and seeing all the street lamps on. It was magical; still one of my strongest memories.
Posted By: derekdwc Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 9:37am
Originally Posted by bert1
Absolutely right Historybook, the first lines were used about 1918/20 ish, mainly on major roads, to help in the blackout, lines were painted on minor roads that normally wouldn't have had them, also lines in the gutter to help pedestrians.


Think they have now repainted the gutter ones in a yellow colour now - even doing an extra line in some cases for benefit of those whose eyesight are poor
Posted By: chriskay Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 9:38am
Yes, Derek; problem is, they aren't as visible as the white ones (well, that's my excuse).
Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 10:02am
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Dedicated to one of Chris's happy memories
Posted By: BettyTurnip1 Re: The Blackout - 18th Jun 2011 11:25am
Hi regarding the comment about a ladys memories of the bombings- I met a lovely old lady, who was sharp as a pin an full of memories, i used to help care for her as i worked for care in the community.
She lived in a side street ,in wallasey off the cherry tree centre, and had lived there all her life,originally with her mum ,dad,an family. the back living room was like goin back in time to the 40's!- she d kept all the old hearth, furniture, radio, old photies, an rugs just the way it was when her mum an dad where there -it was lovely! any way sorry I digress- she told me about the bombings an how her mother wouldnt let them go to the airaid shelters, she didnt like or trust them, so mum used to get under the kitchen table, and the girls had to stand under the stairs.
She said this one particular night, the bombs were heavy an her an her sister an the dog were under the stairs,-"just there" she said pointing to it! an there were loud bangs an thuds, an the girls were scared, an she looked at her dog who was sittin with them an said " Are we goin to die?" an she said the dog looked at her an then gave one nod of his head..!
Then there was an extremely loud bag an the house shook.. Turns out the houses opposite hers had been hit.
There are now newer houses in their place, hers an her side of the road still stand.
Posted By: taylor4898 Re: The Blackout - 20th Jun 2011 9:59am
Thanks for sharing that story Betty.
Posted By: polo_phil Re: The Blackout - 20th Jun 2011 10:36am
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Posted By: bert1 Re: The Blackout - 21st Jun 2011 8:11am
Should mention the unsavory side of living in the Blackout, the increase in crime, though house burglaries never really increased due to the burglar couldn't tell whether the lights were on or not within a property, sheds and garages, cars etc were prime targets. People who grew vegetables in their gardens and allotment holders had their produce taken in hours of darkness, street muggings also increased.
Posted By: BettyTurnip1 Re: The Blackout - 21st Jun 2011 9:27am
Originally Posted by taylor4898
Thanks for sharing that story Betty.
You re welcome! smile
Posted By: katej Re: The Blackout - 17th Aug 2011 5:59pm
I live in Stoneby Drive off mount road in Wallasey and there was an unexpolded bomb found in our back garden in the 70's I think! Also we have a new build house in the street where apparentley a house was blown up!
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