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Posted By: chriskay Noctorum - 30th Dec 2007 10:05pm
Strange name; anyone know where it came from? I always think it sounds Latin, probably because of the ending -orum; second declension plural, genitive, (meaning 'of the' or 'belonging to'), but the root (noct) has me foxed. the nearest I can come is Noctis, meaning 'nights', but that is third declension, not second.

Sorry, I'm rambling again, but I'd really like to know.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Noctorum - 30th Dec 2007 10:13pm
Sorry Chris. My latin grammar only went as far as... Caesar hadsum jam forte !

Sorry - I'll get my coat.
Posted By: chriskay Re: Noctorum - 30th Dec 2007 10:27pm
Originally Posted by Pinzgauer
Sorry Chris. My latin grammar only went as far as... Caesar hadsum jam forte !

Sorry - I'll get my coat.


Fat lot of use you are then thumbsdown
Posted By: SoundLad Re: Noctorum - 30th Dec 2007 10:31pm
Noctorum is actually viking from the meaning Cnocc Trimm which means "Dry Hill" smile hope that helps.. happy
Posted By: chriskay Re: Noctorum - 30th Dec 2007 10:59pm
Wow, thanks for that thumbsup
Posted By: BMW Joe Re: Noctorum - 31st Dec 2007 12:18am
Originally Posted by Pinzgauer
Caesar hadsum jam forte !

raftl took me a while to work it out
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Noctorum - 31st Dec 2007 7:31am
Interesting Lee, cheers!

smile
Posted By: philmch Re: Noctorum - 31st Dec 2007 8:19pm
On a slightly related note, take a look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/38cter

This band was formed by Marty Willson-Piper of Aussie band The Church.
Posted By: atw1960 Re: Noctorum - 27th Feb 2010 4:55pm
Another version (I think !) is Chinotrie - there is a short turn off from Noctorum Road
Posted By: Archaeo Re: Noctorum - 28th Feb 2010 3:02pm
"Dry Hill" has a wiff of Stephen Harding about it to me. Chenotrie was the area supposedly mentioned in Domesday, and the changes in name can be traced through documents until its blending into today's Noctorum.
Posted By: greasby_lad Re: Noctorum - 28th Feb 2010 5:40pm
After the 1066 invasion, King William gave pieces of land, including Chenoterie (Noctorum) to Willelmus of Malbedeng. The Domesday entry records that in 1086 -
"The same W. (Willelmus) holds Chenoterie, Ricardus holds from him, Colbertus held it, he was a free man. There is half a hide paying tax. Land for one plough which is there, in lordship, with two ploughmen, two villagers. The value was 15s., now 10s., it was waste."



Description: Domesday entry for Chenoterie (Noctorum)
Attached picture Noctorum Chenoterie.jpg
Posted By: chriskay Re: Noctorum - 28th Feb 2010 5:49pm
I'd love to know how we got from "Chenotrie" to "Noctorum". They look so different.
Posted By: BennyBoy Re: Noctorum - 28th Feb 2010 6:26pm
I live in Noctorum and I thought it was a norse name???
Also, Chinitorie is on the doomsday book and one of its former owners were part of the Cadbury family!

Would be interesting if anybody else had information about noctorum....
Posted By: dingle Re: Noctorum - 2nd Mar 2010 8:28am
I went and Googled Chinitorie and all I got was Pinz's latin phrase.Ceasar gotjam forte.
Posted By: uptoncx Re: Noctorum - 2nd Mar 2010 8:54am

Put in Chenoterie, the spelling from the Domesday book, and you get this from the Liverpool Museum:

PLACENAME: Chenoterie (first mentioned 1086 in the Domesday Book). Hill-town. From Old Irish noc or cnocc meaning a hill or dry hill. Cenoctirum 1119; Knoutyrom 1286; Knettyrom 1377; Knocktor 1546. The first edition six inch Ordnance Survey map (1850) shows both Chenotrie and Noctorum.

Posted By: chriskay Re: Noctorum - 2nd Mar 2010 10:22am
Thanks for that, uptoncx. I can remember when Chenotrie was still a single grand house. The lodge is still there too.
Posted By: Icarus Re: Noctorum - 7th Nov 2012 6:31pm
I can remember delivering newspapers to both ....and to most of the other larger homes in the area.....such a shame to see how many have disappeared or turned into apartments.

Chenotrie and Intabene used to have peacocks and peahens wandering the substantial grounds....as a boy born in downtown Birkenhead ...to see a peacock spread his tail was amazing ...it was one of the perks of being a paperboy.....loved it .
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