An old friend (aged 88 years) is interested in this church. Does anybody know anything about it.Where was it situated and when was it demolished.
Did it have a grave yard if so what happened to bodies when church was demolished.
I would appreciate any info re this church to pass on to my friend.
many thanks
hi ive never hear of one in conway st there was a church ..were thomson's mission an st andrews square its more a car wagon loading bay now
The old Scottish Presbyterian church was on Conway Street just down from the junction with Hemingford Street. St Andrew's Square flats were alongside. The graveyard was there certainly until the mid-1970s, but I'm not sure if the church had been demolished earlier. I'm sure Wikiwirral members will come up with plenty of information about it.
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Thanks everybody.
Bert1 that is marvelous thanks so much.
On a 1950s map and after demolishment before bus station built
Description: 1950s map
This photo was taken in 1967 during demolition to make way for the Conway Street flyover. The Saint Andrews Church graveyard is out of shot, but it was over the road towards the extreme bottom right of the picture.
St Andrew's Presbyterian Church (Scottish)
Built in 1839, opened in 1840, demolished in 1967, had an attached school which closed in 1936.
Building of stone in the Gothic style, with an embattled nave and two pinnacles over the doorway
It isn't recoded as having a graveyard but a number of people have disputed this and I came across a statement that "a small portion of the ground attached was formerly used as a burying ground"
Thank you great help.It is wonderful to have all this info to tell my friend about. He will be so pleased.
Forgot to include that it sat 800 people.
In 1862 because of the size of the congregation, the chapel was closed for a short period of time while side galleries were added.
I'm sure as a small child I remember headstones at that church, Wirral Archives or the National Archives will most certainly have records of burials there.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2602681
Just a thought - you can see it in this picture on the 'Britain from Above' website -
Clicky If you register, you can then zoom in and see the church quite clearly (it's just to left of centre).
The large scale 1875 OS plan clearly shows the area that was designated as the graveyard.
The churchyard looks built on, when was the church built I thought after 1843 all burials went to the municipal cemetery apart from some church burials.
Municipal Cemeteries were cheaper and graveyards invariably had restrictions on who could be buried.
Some graves from graveyards were moved to vacate land.
In England, graveyard usually means a burial ground attached to a church whereas a cemetery isn't.
I'm wondering if this graveyard belonged to St Andrew's and whether it might have existed before the church. It seems unusually detached on the map and the word's "burial ground" elsewhere instead of graveyard makes me wonder.
It is wonderful to have all this info.
Thanks everybody.
Thanks all. I appreciate your input and have found it most interesting.
many thanks
I wonder if there are burial records for st andrews at the archives. Tracing famiky burials my sister and i have come up against brick walls! Family were living round that area
I wonder if there are burial records for st andrews at the archives. Tracing famiky burials my sister and i have come up against brick walls! Family were living round that area
National Archives, see link I posted earlier.
At least some of the records for the church went missing, I don't know if they were found again.
In the past there has always been disagreement on various threads whether this church had a burial ground or graveyard and what happened to the bodies if it did, for future reference.
Unfortunately NC6 isn't on the Landican maps only NC1, NC2, NC3 and NC8.
Unfortunately NC6 isn't on the Landican maps only NC1, NC2, NC3 and NC8.
Some were cremated, not sure how that decision was made.
Landican aren't aware of a NC6 section but are guessing St Andrew's in the St Mary's section, I had a look, there could be distinct sections to the left or right of St Mary's but I didn't see any corresponding names from a quick look-around.
Landican are intrigued and are looking into it further and will get back to me.
I was hoping to find some aerial photo's that may show the St Mary's section before 1967 to show its initial size but no luck so far.
A snippet from the 1941 non-conformist section, Landican cemetery.
Section 6 and number. Interesting they are all seamen, will look into it more.
Services section,
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/search-results/?CemeteryExact=true&Cemetery=BIRKENHEAD+(LANDICAN)+CEMETERY&Page=1
The only service section I'm aware off is the Commonwealth Graves section which is quite small. I'm wondering if NC6 was mass graves, a few of the War Graves Commission NC6 entries have the abbreviation "Coll" which could be "collective"? If so I suspect NC6 is part of what is now NC8 (which contains the Commonwealth Graves).
It is weird that there is a NC8 but no NC4 thru NC7, you would expect it to be common knowledge within Landican how that has come about.
Very likely DD, if you look at the burial snippet above, J5 and K4 have multiple occupancy. They will have CWGA headstones side by side. Find the gentleman below and that is NC 6.
