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Posted By: Helles 12th March 1941 - 2nd Jul 2010 9:28pm
Does anyone know how a small number of British soldiers died on or around the 12th of March 1941?

They were Cheshire regiment and are buried at Landican. There are eleven of them plus two from the Royal Artillery killed at the same time.
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: 12th March 1941 - 2nd Jul 2010 10:24pm
On the 12th & 13th March 1941 there was very heavy bombing in the area, 174 people were killed in Wallasey alone. I will try and find out more.

288 people were killed in Birkenhead and 275 seriously injured.

The deep level shelter at Laird street bus station was hit, as well as one of the Victoria park shelters.

With this level of destruction it would look likely the soldiers were killed in these raids.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: 12th March 1941 - 3rd Jul 2010 12:39am
13 people in Erskine Road, Poulton lost their lives on that night. The Jennings family, (parents and 3 children), at No. 15, were wiped out.
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 3rd Jul 2010 9:23pm
Although the men were in the Cheshire Regiment, they did not all come from Cheshire. The theatre of War is described as United Kingdom. The very good book "Birkenhead at War 1939-45" does not give a specific reason for so many service deaths that day, but as stated above the 12/13 March was Birkenhead's worst air raid with 288 Killed and 275 seriously injured, in two days bombing.

As a side note from the CWGC site LANDICAN "cemetery contains 128 Second World War burials, 35 of them forming a small war graves plot. This plot also contains a screen wall commemorating 38 servicemen and women whose remains were cremated at Birkenhead (Landican) Crematorium. 2 of the burials are unidentified seamen of the Royal Navy and 1 an unidentified airman of the Royal Air Force.

I'd be interested if you find what happened to these men.
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: 12th March 1941 - 3rd Jul 2010 9:32pm
The 2nd Battalion of the Cheshire Regiment was in posted in England in the early part of 1941.
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 9:01am
Originally Posted by OxtonHill
Although the men were in the Cheshire Regiment, they did not all come from Cheshire. The theatre of War is described as United Kingdom. The very good book "Birkenhead at War 1939-45" does not give a specific reason for so many service deaths that day, but as stated above the 12/13 March was Birkenhead's worst air raid with 288 Killed and 275 seriously injured, in two days bombing.

As a side note from the CWGC site LANDICAN "cemetery contains 128 Second World War burials, 35 of them forming a small war graves plot. This plot also contains a screen wall commemorating 38 servicemen and women whose remains were cremated at Birkenhead (Landican) Crematorium. 2 of the burials are unidentified seamen of the Royal Navy and 1 an unidentified airman of the Royal Air Force.

I'd be interested if you find what happened to these men.


Yes I know, I have just photographed all 128+ and got the screen wall redone by CWGC because it was in a bad state of repair. Also found one with the Y missing from the word Army and I can't believe no one ever noticed it. Have reported that too. There are two unknown sailors but also one unknown soldier in the small plot. I find this strange as surely they must have known who was alive before and if you have one soldier missing then it must be the missing one or am I missing something? He is identified as Cheshires on the grave stone. There are no unknown airmen so CWGC have got that wrong or you have misread it? There is also a Polish war grave there.

My thoughts are that these men were part of an anti aircraft unit hence the Royal Artillery with the infantry (Cheshires) providing their guard. I could be way off beam but seems a likely scenario. Now I have to find out for sure or go mad smile
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 11:37am
Have you tried contacting the Cheshire Regiment Museum at Chester
[email protected]
or Tel: 01244 327 617

Always helpful, if they know the answer
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 3:19pm
Originally Posted by OxtonHill
Have you tried contacting the Cheshire Regiment Museum at Chester
[email protected]
or Tel: 01244 327 617

Always helpful, if they know the answer
Good call thumbsup
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 5:15pm
Trying to find more information, I read back through "Walking through the Blitz, in the Birkenhead Area" the author was a member of the Home Guard aged 17.

The 12th March 1941, he was not on duty but he was out and about in Oxton Village. It was a full moon, and in nearby Alton Road some soldiers billeted in one of the houses were standing outside when a shell burst among them and they were blown to bits.

As a side note:
In Landican cemetery there are six unmarked graves in Ce section 9 Ref.s375-380 incl. In these graves lie the remains of 24 unidenmtified victims of the Blitz of the 12th March. The graves also include the remains of Mildred Hoyoake, Rose O'Calaghan, Catherine O'Calaghan, W McMullen, Elsie McIntosh and Catherine Edge. There are no headstones or other markings on the graves except the serial numbers. Whilst the country has ensured that all the remains of Military personnel are buried with a headstone the town has not seen fit to erect headstones for these civilian victims of the war.
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 5:35pm
Very interesting. I have emailed the Cheshires museum and will let you know if I get a satisfactory reply.

That's quite sad about the blitz victims. Are they commemorated on a screen wall somewhere at least?
Posted By: davew3 Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 6:25pm
Sadly I have an auntie and two cousins who died on 12/3/1941,I know they are supposed to be in the civilian war dead book,but I have no idea where they were buried,they are in the CWGC database,so I suppose another wander around Landican is in order,one place I must check out is I read that some of Birkenhead civilian war dead were buried at Barnston church can anybody confirm this?.
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 6:44pm
Why Barnston? I have photographed the few war graves at Barnston but can't say that I noticed any commemorating blitz victims. Doesn't mean they aren't there though.

Usually the CWGC says where they are buried. Is there no mention of it? I did notice while at Landican there were a number of graves stating killed by enemy action and they were civilians as far as I could tell.

Posted By: davew3 Re: 12th March 1941 - 4th Jul 2010 7:33pm
I think it was definatly a local history book but I can't remember which,this is why I mentioned it as I think another local book mentions a V1 landing at Bromborough,it was possible as I believe some V1's were dropped from aircraft over Hull and set on course to Manchester but all went astray,that was bit was from a web page after doing some searches on yahoo for something else.
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 23rd Jul 2010 10:47am
Have received the following. I didn't know this. Where was (is?) Higher Tranmere school?

Appologies for the delay in my reply. I have had a quick look through the regimental
history of WW2 and can find little mention of the 8th Home Defence Battalion.
However there is in an appendix to the work a piece taken from the Bikrnhead
Chronicle 1945. In the extract it mentions the March Blitz 12/13 March 1941. It notes
that among the loss of life 50 troops billeted in the Higher Tranmere School were
killed. Perhaps this explains the burials in Landican cemetery.
If I come across anything else I will let you know.
Regards,

Caroline Mannion
Museum Officer
Cheshire Military Museum
The Castle
Chester
CH1 2DN
Posted By: dingle Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 2:02am
Not sure if this is any help, Helles. But my mum told me that the school across from us on Borough Rd, Christ Church Claughton was hit by a "flying bomb - V1?") and destroyed as well as the houses at the bottom of Brattan Rd and the one next to us at 10 Dingle Rd fell down. Not sure if we were classed as Higher Tranmere or that referred to Holt Hill and up along Church Rd.
Posted By: hoseman Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 6:53am
Slightly off note but on the topic of war graves, there are a number of RAF pilots buried at the small church (cant remember its name!)in Eastham village, from flying accidents etc at hooton Airfield
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 7:27am
I can't really see that as we were out of range of flying bombs. I think the nearest one came down near Manchester and that was released from an aircraft. You are right about that area being flattened though. I've seen the photographs and it was a mess.

On the subject of graves in Eastham. You are correct, I was there the other day taking photographs. At least five of the gravestones are made of slate. Not sure why?

Attached picture Eastham St Mary Wirral 016.JPG
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 6:05pm
Helles

You obviously are very interested in War Graves, what are you planning to do with all the information you are gathering?, book, blog, website?
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 6:23pm
Goes on a website so people can see where their relatives are buried if they want. Not my website, I am just doing the Wirral graves that I can find. There are volunteers all over the place taking photo's.

Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 6:51pm
What's the URL ?
Posted By: jimbob Re: 12th March 1941 - 24th Jul 2010 8:40pm
The school in Higher Tranmere could posible be the one that was on the corner of Hillside Road and Kelvin Road. It was not used as a normal school after the war but part of the building became the Tec school of an evening prior to the Tec collage opening on Borough Road
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 25th Jul 2010 10:01am
Originally Posted by OxtonHill
What's the URL ?


Oops. http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/
Posted By: chris58 Re: 12th March 1941 - 25th Jul 2010 3:57pm
Does the CWGC have the names of everyone who died in the war? Where can it be viewed? I have some relatives who I would like look up.
Posted By: bert1 Re: 12th March 1941 - 25th Jul 2010 4:08pm
Try Here

http://www.cwgc.org/
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 26th Jul 2010 9:05am
Originally Posted by Helles
Originally Posted by OxtonHill
What's the URL ?


Oops. http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/


Helles,

How do you search the site for a surname? I cannot work it out!!
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 26th Jul 2010 9:08am
Sad to say I don't know. Use the contact form to ask them.
Posted By: dingle Re: 12th March 1941 - 26th Jul 2010 9:20am
Are those photos on the net, would love to see them.
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 26th Jul 2010 10:22am
Originally Posted by Helles
Sad to say I don't know. Use the contact form to ask them.


Emailed them, will post the reply.
Posted By: OxtonHill Re: 12th March 1941 - 26th Jul 2010 6:41pm
Originally Posted by OxtonHill
Originally Posted by Helles
Sad to say I don't know. Use the contact form to ask them.


Emailed them, will post the reply.


Thanks for contacting the site.

All you have to do is look to see if the cemetery where the person is buried
appears on the site.

If it does, in most cases we will have photographs of all of the graves in
the cemetery.

If you are not sure where they are buried let me know as much information as
you can and I'll see if I can find them for you.

Cheers

Mick McCann
British War Graves

So no name index on site.
Posted By: Helles Re: 12th March 1941 - 26th Jul 2010 8:51pm
If you know the name of the casualty, do a search to get the cemetery details from the commonwealth war graves site and then ask for a photo if that cemetery has been photographed.
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