Having just watched the programmes about the disgusting state of the Worlds oceans I'm now wondering if we should be recycling plastic at all. If as suggested our waste is no longer recycled but dumped then we are contributing to the deaths of hundreds of sea creatures.So if I stop putting plastic in the grey bin & put it in the green bill will that help? What will then happen to it?

https://www.visualnews.com/2016/01/19/mexican-startup-transforms-plastic-waste-affordable-housing/ watch this and take heart

Depends where its dumped.. if landfill its not going to kill any sea life.

Very true Fish but if it's dumped in landfill then it's not being recycled so why are we bothering to put it into a recycling bin

Packaging accounts for only 30% of plastic produced. The bulk of it is in your clothes. Every time they are washed, tiny polyester fibres are dumped into the sea as sewage treatment does nothing to recover them.

Interestingly, though, I think evolution may have saved the day. Bad as it seems, the quantity of plastic in the ocean is only a tiny percentage of what is estimated to be dumped there. The difference is quite likely to have been eaten by bacteria. Plastic contains energy, and this means it is a potential foodstuff. I think its very likely that a number of bugs will evolve to take advantage of this. There is even a moth larva that can survive on plastic bags! Mind you, it had a head start. Its 'normal' diet was beeswax and it is a real nuisance if you are a bee!

I'm not suggesting we don't worry about it, but I think we would do well investigate what is really going on and understand what is happening before deciding how to tackle the problem, if there is one. A single eye-candy series by Attenborough is not a good basis on which to decide policy, even if the politicians are more than happy to jump on the bandwaggon.

There will always be a market starting up for recycled plastic it just takes time. Globalisation has distorted many markets, in this case the foreign contracts have made recycling plastic in this country hardly worthwhile to date, this may change. Using cheap labour in foreign countries is always a short term solution and the medium to long term should always be planned at the same time.

While 80% of the world's wealth is owned by 1% of the population there is a complete lack of common control, greed overrules everything else. Redistribution of wealth is essential to get the whole system working properly at all levels. There is nothing wrong with wealth but sitting on money that you will never spend stagnates everything.

I'm curious why we aren't creating more forests, wood is a brilliant material and can be used and processed for all sorts of things. It would also keep the CO2 panic-ers happier.

They are trying https://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/article/growing-new-forests-in-the-uk/

This group on USA have got together and are making jewellery out of the plastics they retrieve. It's a massive problem worldwide even what is getting washed up on small islands in the pacific.. (all to do with tides or something etc)

https://www.facebook.com/4OceanBracelets/


I can't see that the proposed scheme of returnable plastic bottles will make a difference.( what is being called for at the moment) Not unless the deposit on the bottle is hefty enough to encourage the returns. Then there is the problem of storage for these things in the small local shops that sell drinks . Plastic packaging on certain foods is just as much a problem IMO, why do we need apples wrapped, cucumbers, potatoes in bags etc. ? (none of them last as long anyway, when they are packed that way) . Every household in the UK uses black bin bags .... how many does that amount to ? Plastic nappies, plastic drinking straws...we used to have paper covered in wax. Black bin bags might be bio-degradable, but there is surely some chemical residue even if they do. That in it's turn must be impacting on the landfill sites somehow.
It's a bad situation, but hopefully, things will change. I think India has a better record on such things than we do.

The country known for being the largest rubbish dump in the world and very low pollution control?

They recycle approx. 60% of their plastic waste which is higher than the global average of 14%.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...s-plastic-waste/articleshow/59301057.cms

Which probably contradicts another statistic that 70% of their waste is dumped without being sorted. http://swachhindia.ndtv.com/top-10-things-know-indias-waste-management-woes-6374/

I think 'recycling' is a bit of a weasel word. Unless you accelerate your discarded stuff to escape velocity and shoot it off the planet, EVERYTHING gets recycled anyway. The earth is a closed ecological system. The only difference is the timescale.

I have strong reservations about the amount of energy used in our house to recycle stuff. Washing out a milk bottle with warm water involves energy, so how much is saved overall? I would not be at all surprised to find dispatching it to landfill involves less energy.

One of the silliest things was to discourage plastic supermarket bags. These things weigh about 4 grams each, and can be stuffed with groceries without breaking. We used them as bin liners and for a number of other things too before they got discarded.. Now we have a large collection of bags for life- which weigh about 30 grams each - and buy plastic bags as bin liners! A recent study found that using a cotton bag involved over 150 times the oil used to make a 4 gram bin bag. That means you'd have to use it over 150 times before any saving is made.

It was politically expedient however. It made everyone feel they were doing their bit with minimal effect on the packaging industry. Shortly after the charge was imposed, I saw a woman in the supermarket proudly 'saving the planet' with a cotton bag into which she was putting massive PET bottles of water, tied together with a sort of harness made of heavy gauge polythene! And not a dog barked!

I agree, the emphasis should be on re-used not re-cycled. Things should be repaired rather than discarded and replaced, this especially includes buildings!

First, we need to reduce - then re-use, then recycle. I can see ways in which, with a little extra thought, I could reduce the amount of plastic I bring into the house. Maybe not all of it, but certainly some. Up to now I've been complacent, I admit, but it seems the clock is now ticking on the whole plastic issue and it's time to start making changes. Every little helps.

I'm not so sure about these free water points:

News Link

People stick the neck of the used bottle right up onto the nozzle, and contaminate it with their germs.

Have no fear! Your body is very good at rejecting germs that might damage it, and a constant supply of them will improve this capability.This is well worth doing, given the decreasing effectiveness of antibiotics these days.

The water will be chlorinated anyway, which will see off many of these germs you fear so much. This is not the case for bottled water which in many cases contains far more germs and chemical nasties than are permitted from any tap.

It will be interesting to see what these outside drinking fountains do when the weather gets cold. Perhaps they will have heaters to prevent them freezing up, or be made of plastic pipes capable of tolerating the expansion without bursting.

I am old enough to remember seeing a few of them dotted around cities in parks and public squares etc. One by one they have all vanished, presumably as cost savings by councils. I expect they used to regularly freeze up and cost a bomb to repair.

I remember a water tap by Leasowe Common many years ago.It was used a lot by passers by & also their dogs .We never used a bottle ,we drank directly from the tap & germs or not we're still alive to tell the tale. I'm sure they must have frozen at some time but were the Winters then as cold as now. I'm sure many people would "fill up" ,just think of the money they would save & the reduction in plastic bottles would help but is it too little to late ?

This place is worth a visit if you can get a group of 25+ together. We went last year, or maybe the year before on Heritage Open Days.

What the guide does not know about plastics, aint worth knowing! She was brilliant. You will never look at household waste in the same way again!

https://www.veolia.co.uk/merseyside-and-halton/RDC

I always thought councils , money wasting quangos on big pay for the " leader" , sold the waste so in world terms it was meaningless as far as saving the world.
In my work the big bins get thrown in together, when collected , so us splitting it is useless.
Its like the global warming myth...really to make £ via taxation.
Google don easterbrook on youtube for an imperical data breakdown that mans lifestyle has zero to do weather change.
I saw a billionaire on there too saying why would florida mortgage banking companies give out multi million money loans of 40 yrs plus on areas supposed to be underwater in 10 yrs or so, if u are a believer of the BS. Answer= climate change is a scam and they know it.
Good point.