So, we have all heard the latest news on the latest killing of a 14 year old in merseyside by a pack of starving savage dogs bread to kill.

What are your views on this?

Should the owners be put down?

Should cancel that be aloud pets?

Should there be a dog licence?

For this latest case the owner involved is escaping prosecution. They have caused the death of a young person, savagely ripped apart by their starving pets yet they walk off Scott free.

I put it to you here people, bring out the dog licence.

Jail sentences for illegal breeders

Jail sentences for death caused by illegal pet ownership.

who said they where 'bred to kill' ?

What good is a licence, irresponsible owners of dogs will still be irresponsible regardless of a licence .
There are laws in place for the illegal breeding of dogs and ownership of a dangerous dog regardless if the animal bites someone or not.
And from what I gather the dogs that were involved were not illegal and if the owner was responsible they should not have been dangerous and I have never met a people aggressive staffy.

How did the girl get into the house if the occupier was not there?

I'd heard it was her friends house, who was there, then went out leaving the poor girl on her own with what could only have been starving dogs.

Sorry katryn that sounded wrong.

It meant turned out to be killers.

I'd pay £200 for a dog licence, that way it would filter out a lot of irresponsible dog owners.

I think it would help.

Terrible terrible incident. So sad a life has been lost.However, the dogs need not necessarily have been starving -- many dogs are over zealous about food even when they are well fed. Its the pack mentality that I reckon kicked in following the alluring smell of a meat pie . The dogs,all breeds who are often not averse to a good scrap, would have just gone into 'thats mine' mode until it got out of control, and the girl would have, in the frenzy been just another competitor. I would be interested if the dogs were exercised fully as that is a huge factor in keeping a well balanced dog/s . Sad that the girls involved didnt have the dog knowhow to see there was a risk with a pack of dogs/ a non owner in the house/ limited alluring food.

£200 for a licence is fair enough but I think all dog owners should be vetted before they are allowed to buy a dog.
The people who buy these so called dangerous dogs would pay the licence money anyway if they go through the hassle of sourcing and paying for there status symbol what is a few extra quid for a licence.

I think when a dog (dangerous or not) bites someone the owner should be prosecuted. This should happen in every case whether its on private property or not the owner should still be liable to prosecution. I have 2 small dogs and I would be happy with a law where I would be held responsible for my dogs actions as I am a responsible dog owner.
Obviously prosecution after someone has been bitten or killed isn't going to solve the problem of irresponsible owners as the dog has already attacked but it might make owners think as everyone will be brought before the courts no matter what the circumstances around the incident were.

Ban dogs. Job done.

Or ban pies for that matter.

Ban back yard breeders for a start theyre only in it to make money.

People seem to have these dogs to breed. The amount of dogs that woman had was stupid. Their should be tighter regulation on having dogs, if you can afford the maintance of vets bills why buy a dog.
Went to the vets charity in liverpool with my mum afew months back and the amount of elderly woman in there with massive bull mastiffs and their sons outside was amazing, obviously coning the charity using their mums benifits to pay for treatment.
Dont think a licence fee of 200 would be helpful to those that do look after their dogs as they are expensive anyway if looked after properly. Ive only had mine since before christmas and he has cost me a small fortune in vets bills, training, replacing chewed
I think owners should be force to attend regular vets appointments to monitor behaviour and health to weed out bad ownership. And spading should be compulsory unless the owners can provide evidence that they responsible and has the money and time to breed.
Sorry for the long post

Quote Ste
"I'd pay £200 for a dog licence, that way it would filter out a lot of irresponsible dog owners.
I think it would help."

The irresponsible dog owners like equivalent car owners, wouldnt bother with legalities. You'd just have all the dutiful dog owners having to pay more for no good reason.

Maybe a 'dog license' fee could work on a sliding scale. £100 for the first £200 for each additional.


Then at least there would be a record of how many and what breeds are in properties.
There needs to be some check now I believe, although that would not help the odd case af a savage attack by a rougue dog.

Four large or strong dogs in one small house seems rediculous anyway.We have to realise that sadly,not all owners are responsible for what they take on board.

no probs

The woman who owned the dogs even said that they where dangerous see here>

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...1.100002445760962&type=1&theater

Never read such crap in my life.

Facebook is a breeding ground for bottom feeders by the looks of it.

Crazy how they're all arguing yet end of the day a teenager has lost her life and their all bothered about getting 1 up on each other.

Unbelievable.

Bunch of illiterate wastes of skin.

are you reffering to me?

No of course not.

aw ok no probs sorry i mis read what you wrote.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, however I saw this on another Forum and thought I'd share it with you.


The Anatomy of a Dog Attack !!!

John has no wife or children. For the last five years hes lived with his best friend in the world a playful Labrador called Max.

John is exited today. Henry, an old friend from school who he hasn't seen for many years is visiting.

John decides today would be a good day to get his garden tidied, make a good impression on his old school chum.

As John gets busy in amongst the weeds in the front garden, he spies his old mate making his way up the street.

Henry's been looking forward to catching up with John for weeks and, as he?s never been to his home before, finds himself feeling somewhat jubilant to realize hes managed to find the street on which John lives without too much trouble and can now relish the prospect of seeing his friend again as well as finally getting to meet the only true love of Johns life, the much talked about Max.

Its a hot and sunny day and Henry is wearing his sunglasses. Further up the street he spots John working in his front garden.

Johns already noticed Henry making his way towards him and yells out, Hi Henry. Fancy a beer??

Henry shouts back, Sounds just the job. Can you believe this heat??.

As per usual, Max has been helping John with his gardening exploits by digging holes of his own all over the lawn. John doesn't mind. He only wanted the garden so he could have somewhere safe to play fetch with Max on sunny days like today. Hes never been one for trying to keep it immaculate when Maxs favorite hobby is trying to tunnel his way to China.

Max has stopped his gardening though. Hes become preoccupied by the exchange between John and Henry and hes taken a trip the front gate to see whats going on.

I wonder who this bloke is?? ponders Max.

Why would he and John be shouting at each other?? he thinks to himself.

id better be on full alert he concludes. Johns just shouted at this chap so he obviously wants me to keep an eye out.

Max fixes himself in position at the front gate and hoists his tail high into the air, hes keen to let the oncoming stranger know hes about.

John doesnt notice this change in maxs behavior .

Henrys still coming. So Max decides he needs to be more clear. He starts to emit a deep, low growl in Henrys direction just to make certain the stranger who's purposely striding towards him, his owner and HIS garden is left in no uncertain terms that hes not moving

Henrys still coming. And now hes close enough for Max to notice his sunglasses. This is getting more serious by the second, thinks Max. Hes not only not listening to me, hes staring right at me. I know, Ill stare right back at him. See if hes as brave then.

Problems. Henry is still as brave. To Max, Henrys sunglasses look like wide, staring eyes, boring straight ahead and as he marches staunchly toward the increasingly anxious Labrador, Max wonders what his next move might be. As body language goes, Henry is showing all the signs of refusing to listen to Maxs advice.

Now tense and feeling genuinely threatened, Max is offered an escape. John jogs inside to fetch a couple of bottles of beer and Max is only too pleased to hurriedly follow his master. Max is somewhat relieved to suspect that John, his idol, is just as scared as he is about the relentless stranger pursuing them both from outside the garden gate.

Shut the door John, shut the door Max worries. Hes still coming and you haven?t closed the door.

Too late. Maxs heart leaps as he hears the gate swing open. Too late.

His worst fears are confirmed. The unrelenting Henry is now purposefully making his way up the garden path and toward the the house where Max and John are isolated, cornered and in Maxs case, petrified.

Gathering up every ounce of his canine courage and without a seconds thought for his own safety Max charges out of the house, tail hoisted aloft and barking his war cry as loud as his voice will muster. He heads straight for Henry wondering why this stalking maniac refused to listen to all of his earlier warnings.

You might kill me but you'll never take John, Max decides.

Henry, his face very quickly drained of all its colour, is shocked and taken back to be confronted by a clearly furious Max, the dog he'd heard so many nice stories about from doting John. This isn't at all the dog he thought he'd be meeting.

Henry, alarmed and frightened makes his way toward Max, attempting to offer a hand of reassurance and friendship.

Max is having none of it.

John warned you. Then I warned you. Why wouldn't you just listen??, reasoned Max.

Undeterred by Henrys advance and determined not to let his owner come to any harm, Max lunges in Henrys direction.

The realisation that Max is a long way past the stage of being able to be pacified dawns on Henry fast and he hastily tries to beat a retreat back out of the gate from which he entered.

John, hearing the commotion and now panic stricken by Maxs attack bellows No! Max, no.

Acutely tuned to his owners emotions and sensing the fear and alarm in John?s voice, Max forges ahead and launches into a full scale attack on Henry.

And then, as quick as it began, it was over.

An ambulance arrives to take Henry away and, hearing the commotion, Johns neighbors have summoned the Police.

John can be heard explaining, He's never done anything like this before, the attack came totally out of the blue, Max was always such a trustworthy dog, he's never shown any signs of aggression in his life, the attack was totally unprovoked?.

But we know differently don't we?

Lets look again at how Max saw things unfold:

1. Max spots a man walking toward his and his owners garden - his territory
2. Not unduly worried, Max paid little attention to the stranger until John shouted in Henrys direction. To Max, this was a clear signal to watch for danger
3. Obediently, Max sat at the front gate and watched for that danger.
4. He attempted to signal to Henry by putting his tail in the air and growling, that he was prepared to defend his owner and territory.
5. As Henry gets closer, Max again postures but now spots Henrys aggressive body language, his wide eyes refusing to overt their gaze a clear signal of intent. Henrys point blank refusal to alter his path, a sure fire gesture of defiance.
6. As John runs inside, Maxs thoughts turn to escape. He now believes John is as scared as he is and they should both seek shelter from the safety of the house.
7. Too late. As Henry enters the garden (Max and Johns territory) Max does what he thinks his owner needs him to do. He defends against the threat.
8. As Henry runs away and John panics, Max takes this as a sign that he should increase his attack, his canine instincts now in complete overdrive.

So let us again question whether John was correct when he explained to Police that Maxs attack was unprovoked.

Was it unprovoked? Not at all.

Was it unjustified in human, social terms? Absolutely.

Was it avoidable? Totally.

The Aftermath

Henry, his pain eased only slightly by drugs lies motionless in a hospital bed and starts to face the reality that a visit to see a dear, old friend has left him disfigured for the rest of his life. He ponders how best to explain to his young children that he's still their Dad even though he knows his mutilated features will upset them deeply. He wonders how life will be from now on, how people will react to him.

Max, confused and still frightened by the terrifying ordeal earlier in the day is now wondering why he's found himself confined to a small, secure cage at the vet surgery.

He stares through the bars and looks longingly towards the door, hoping against hope that he will soon be reunited with his trusted friend and master, John.

Unbeknown to Max, he'll never see John again.

As the door swings open, Max's tail momentarily begins to wag but he's deflated. It's not John. It's a vet nurse.

He's still pleased to see her. He's lonely and upset and he just wants to go home and be with his friend.

He's too pre-occupied to wonder why the vet nurse seems so wary of him. Wanting to put her at ease, he submissively offers up his paw. As the vet nurse holds it, she carefully shaves a small patch of fur away from his leg.

Max didn't even notice the injection.

On this day it wasn't only Maxs body that was destroyed as Johns memories of a kind, gentle, fun loving dog died too.

He asks himself once more, Why did my dog attack someone for no reason??

John may never know it, but Max had his reasons.

Dogs do not bite people without reason. They do not attack out of the blue. They do not launch into savage, frenzied assaults without provocation despite what you will undoubtedly read in news reports when the next dog attack hits the press.

There are NO devil dogs. There are NO unprovoked dog attacks. There IS a huge gap in understanding among some dog owners about why dogs attack and until we can bridge that gap in education people will continue to be attacked and more and more dogs will join Max, their memories destroyed along with their bodies.
Killing individual dog breeds is not the solution to a problem which runs through an entire species. Oh, and if you were left in any doubt, that species isn't canine.

I hope many people read this and can finally understand that as smart as our dogs are, they do not understand our world any better than we understand theirs. They love and trust us and look to us for guidance. And because of our lack of understanding about how they see things, things sometimes go wrong.

If only people took the time to read this .Education is all.Well done Tilly for posting this article.Deepest sympathy for the the tragic loss of life of this young girl her family must be devastated.

That's a good post.

Thanks Tilly.

Very good story, with some perception from the 'dog' shows what really unfolds......some owners don,t read 'what' there dog is telling them....
Well done Tilly for sharing,, hope your getting better.