i have looked to see if this has already been posted, could'nt find one...
i was just wondering what you lot think about the rspca


this is the letter the so called animal charity wrote
http://www.germanshepherdrescue.co.uk/gsd-shot-by-rspca.html

I knew there would be a donation link there somewhere... But funnily enough, they are based in Marden, Hereford.

That's actually where my dad lives, and its a very small village in the middle of nowhere (it's actually nearer Leominster than Hereford), bit up their own arses most of the people there. They must be making a mint off donations to live there lol.

So was every post that you made Tilly just a set up for this one?
They've all been dog related and not one has been Wirral related.
Maybe a pet forum would suit you more?
I'm not trying to be snarky but hey, that's just the way I see it.

yerrr

The question is what do we think of the RSPCA, well i think its a excellent organisation that does excellent work for the welfare of animals. Like most large organisation it going make mistakes and come in for criticism from time to time but without it animal welfare in this country would be in a poorer state.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Tilly.I am shocked that the R$PCA would do something like this when they are excellent charity groups like German Sheperd Rescue out there.I have had many German Sheperd Dogs and have donated to G.S.R I don't think there was anything cynical about tilly putting this message up here she obviously likes German Sheperd Dogs and thought it should be highlighted

One thing I've noticed with the RSPCA is that whereas in the old days they used to wear plain clothing they are now in militaristic uniforms, including the shoulder pips, scrambled egg on the higher up hats, which are also militaristic. The Wooly Pully, the shirts ties and all the other paraphanelia, the latest vehicles and so on. Since when is all this crap needed to look after animal welfare? That's where a lot of the money is going. They can do this because old people leave them thousands of quid a time in bequests and I personally think it is an abuse of funding. They will never get a penny from this geezer. That's just my opinion and something I've noticed, ditto Oxfam.

Thanks Tilly

Tilly is an animal lover, why shouldnt her comments be about animals?

P.S Hows Ted?

You've got to wonder about a charity of this size, how many directors it needs to be paid to keep it running? I don't really know how it works, but it seems to be fairly well established.
I bought a normal everyday cat for £40 from the Leasowe RSPCA, which was quite shocking in a wayn (seeing as you can get a kittne for free). I wasn't expecting to pay -that- much, seeing as they are trying to rehome animals. This must be why some of the animals are getting put down, the HUGE sale price is getting in the way.

Violet - They charge you because they need to pass the cost of injections etc to someone, atleast you know your cat is healthy.

Also, they charge so people dont go and get a few cats and abuse them or sell them on.

Ah OK.
I'm sure I got all the injections done myself though?

I might be wrong saying the money was for injections, but the money is recouped because they've done something to the animal (health check? Vet bill? Im unsure)

i dont know what your on about with donation links thats not why i posted this thread, and wether people are up their own arses in that area has nothing to do with what the rspca did to these dogs in south wales.

as to the other replies
all i was asking was, whats your opinion on the rspca now that you know what they have been doing with donations.
yes i love dogs but the fact that i posted this is to highlight the goings on within a rescue organisation that is supposed to help animals. there is nothing sinister in my post, the reason i have'nt posted anything to do with wirral is i have'nt found anything worth posting that is'nt already covered here. i am a newbie to this site but not to the wirral by any means i was trying to take an active part in the site. nothing sinister in that is there..

I agree Tilly, sounds like someones getting confused with fact and fiction (or opinion as the case may be)

did you not read what they did berti? and not for the first time either. there are other organisations that imo would do a far better job than them, organisations that actually care about animal welfare..

thanks for that bandycoot i like your opinion

thanks nestonlad; gsd rescue are an amazing charity i know because i have dealt with them recently when 3 gsd's were in birkenhead dog pound, 2 quite agressive and one had a skin condition they were all due to be put to sleep, i rang gsd rescue and they came and took all 3 rehabilitated them etc and they are all happy in new forever homes. and they dont have the money the rspca have but they still do it.
but i did'nt highlight because they were gsd's i highlighted it because they were dogs..

thanks summer i have seen all the vids on utube too it's so sad but the rspca cannot keep getting away with it,i have just heard tho that south wales police are investigating the shooting thank goodness. lets just hope they pay for what they did..

Of course this is an isolated case. I do a lot of fund raising for Wallasey's RSPCA via my site and other events and I can honestly say they do a lot of good work.

http://rspcawirral.piczo.com/?cr=5

Isolated??? what about the beagles too. no way isolated.
some of workers at the rspca do do a good job, but i know their hands are tied when it comes to rescuing animals,
and the big wigs tell them what they can and what they cant do. the rspca are sitting on 2 million pound, for what? their next xmas lunch?

Anyone that feels that strongly and to ensure that the Wirral RSPCA never puts a good animal to sleep then why not donate today. Your donation helps the centres.

I agree bert but I have seen it so many times where another organisation will use "shock tactics" to gain notoriety especially when they are struggling with donations due to the economical downturn.

They all do great work.

i'm sorry Paul but i'd rather give to a charity that helps wherever possible no matter what the situation. and since this has come out so would thousands of other people.
the rspca as i said before are sitting on 2 million pounds why don't they use it?? also if they had informed other rescues about these GSD's the rspca would'nt have even had to even fork out for extrea bolts, it would'nt have cost them anything..

Can I ask where you get the evidence that the RSPCA have £2m in the bank? I would be surprised if no charitable organisation has some revenue to fall back on (common sense would tell you that) but please point me in the direction where you got your information.

Companies House could get you an idea of that kind info

Of course thats your choice. If we all thought like that then a lot more animals would de destroyed due to a lack of donations. You hear so many times how 'Social Services' have let down the system but you will never say "I am not giving to Children In Need".

The GSD simply look after a particualr animal, a partucular breed of animal whereas the RSPCA look after a huge range from domesticated to wild. The amount of strain on the RSPCA is enormous. So much is expected of them with so little monies. Forget all this executives with high pay. Thats not the fact. Over the years I have both volunteered for the RSPCA as well raised a lot of money and the work they do is fantastic. Don't always believe what you read.

We've been here before and I don't agree with it. An organisation the size of the RSPCA is bound to make mistakes, and in fact, they deal with so much crap each and every day, they are bound to have to take decisions that they don't want to. They are also under constant media scruitiny, whereas when a smaller organisation or COMPANY makes a mistake, they are not usually noticed. Money might not come into it, but where do you place 10 hungry and desperate dogs if you have neither the capacity or funding? Just put them on the street, or stick them together in an overcrowded pen - either way the RSPCA would not have been able to do right for doing wrong.

As for the GSD link - it's a company making a whole lot of money out of donations, and for what exactly? So they can sit there and critisize every charity and use every mistake/tough decision a charity has to make to against them in a bid to earn some more money.

With regards financials, of course the RSPCA would have funding in the bank... if you had any knowledge of business, you would understand that capital is extremely important to a normal business, nevermind a charity who can suddenly see their donations fall-off due to circumstances beyond their own control. Do you think they should trade on donations only, and plan on the basis of expected donations - its impossible to do that. I have a sizeable amount of capital tied up in my business and am always increasing the figure - not because its ever really been used, but simply because should something adverse happen, the capital is there to be used to ensure the business can keep trading and providing the services my clients rely on and honour contracts etc... Simple rule of business im afraid. Many businesses and even charities have gone to the wall during this recession, basically due to a lack of capital and trading on revenue only - when that revenue falls off, they are in the shit. Id rather the RSPCA kept a few million in capital to ensure that should they ever hit hard times, they can keep doing the great work they do.

What these types of slurs are, are actually propaganda, they exist all over the internet against many organisations and charities... and the one thing that most of these types of slur's include, are donation links. My reference to them living in Marden, is because its a pretty expensive place to live, so the donations that the COMPANY generates, must be making them a mint - hence why they need to create propaganda like this to keep the money rolling in. Next time im at my dads, ill get a photo of the place, from the sounds of things, its one of the mansions as the normal people in the village live in small named closes etc.

Ill keep supporting the RSPCA financially both personally and via my business, because for every bad decision they make, for every COMPANY that tries to say they are bad and trades on a bad decision/mistake they have made, there are tens of thousands of other animals in need that they genuinely help. The RSPCA place in Birkenhead helps those who simply can't afford a vet, and that in itself is worth contributing for. The RSPCA do so much great work and help so many people, in so many different ways... and guess what, they are not biased towards one breed either, they help all animals (bar the scumbags on the streets thankfully), no matter what breed or colour.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/8230378.stm

yes i did read it.

As i understand it and by what I've read the relatives of the deceased person, the dogs owner, were unable to get any charitable organisation to take on the animals.

From the Telegraph

''The caller said the dogs' owner, a relative, had died and the dogs had been living on their own.

''An RSPCA inspector visited the premises that day and assessed the animals. The inspector took the decision that none of the dogs were at all suitable for rehoming due to concerns about their aggressive behaviour and lack of socialisation with people. The dogs were also suffering from a severe skin condition.

''We explained to the next-of-kin that they should contact other rescue groups for help. The next-of-kin were made fully aware that if the RSPCA became involved, the dogs would be euthanased.

''The owner's next-of-kin later contacted the RSPCA again and said they had been turned down by other charities who were unwilling to take on the animals and they signed over the dogs, fully aware of what would happen.

"A decision was made following a discussion between eight RSPCA officers that the most humane form of euthanasia would be to use a captive bolt.

''This would minimise distress to the dogs, while also being the safest method for those people responsible for dealing with the animals.

''Restraining the dogs and then shaving a limb to prepare for a lethal injection would have caused these animals unnecessary suffering, due to the animals suffering from a severe skin condition.

''It is the RSPCA's raison d'jtre to prevent cruelty to animals, and it was decided this sad, but ultimately necessary, outcome for the dogs was the best way to prevent the animals any further suffering.

''The decision was not made lightly and, as always, it was made with the best interests of the animal at heart.''

So all this propaganda, promoting the RSPCA as unresponsible terminator-like soldiers, is a load of crap basically.

It would appear that's the case.

it's not propaganda it's fact. anyway judge it as you will.