When it comes to 'wars' , they never seem easy to understand, particularly when we do not know the region or the governments.

However, can someone explain why the Syrian Government are bombing their own people ? Another one in the last 24hrs.

Colonel Gadaffi was slaughtered because he threatened to kill his people in Benghazi (I think), with assistance from various countries, including Britain. Why can Syria do this ? I really don't understand all this and I would love someone to explain what is actually going on, in the simplest way ,please.

Religion being manipulated by oil hungry nations.

This map, makes the layout of the region more understandable.
Not sure your explanation in completely correct DD. I still don't understand any of it , there are so many different groups of people involved, it seems to be like total suicide of a nation.

Basically it is classed as a revolution?rebellion against the Government which has turned into a civil war, not unlike the Spanish civil war or the North v South in America, each faction has its supporters the government uses mercenaries, the others are supported by Isis and others, the Assad government could be propped up by the West but fear being embroiled in another fiasco, because of the Isis involvement, who knows what else is in the mix religion, tribalism, oil, this is just a simple analogy, hope it helps granny

To show how much it oil based - ISIS are producing more oil than the rest of the country, they have also grabbed various other assets such as the phosphate mines.

What is interesting is while there are statements saying the ISIS can't sell the phosphate - they ARE selling oil. What is even more interesting is that while we are being told ISIS and Kurds are opposing groups - most of the ISIS oil is being sold using the Kurds as middlemen.

As usual, we are being fed a lot of information that may or may not be true and its very difficult to know what is really going on.

My general rule is to ignore the noise, always look at the money.

Is it Iraqi Kurds or Syrian Kurds who are acting as middlemen with ISIS ?

Just been trying to piece a few things together (virtually impossible ) with regard to all the different areas controlled by so many different groups.

ISIS first came about by joining Al Quaeda in 2004, following the Iraq invasion, but in 2014 Al Quaeda cut all contacts with it. ISIS then joined forces with al-Nusra Front and became ISIL. Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Looking up 'Levant' sees some interesting historical facts .

This is still so confusing. Taking each region with different off shoots of Muslim, a bit like Catholic / Protestant did into Church of England, Puritan, Methodists, United Reform etc. it seems to boil down to the difference between Sunni and Shia origins. With that in mind as the situation is now, it was not that factor, (I don't think) which originally triggered the Syrian war.

So I will have to see what else there is , but whatever comes up will not change the on going troubles in that area now..and I still don't understand why the Syrian Government continue to bomb their own, who are not necessarily the bad guys.

Ismali's belong to the Shia

Druze are a mixed faith of Unitarians to include Gnosticism, Neoplatonism, Pythagoreanism, Ismailism, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism

Alawites belong to Shia and President Assad is an Alawite.

Kurds are an ethinic group

It's like a hot bed of baked potatoes, apart from the Iraqi invasion, I have yet to understand why Syria has been drawn into this situation, with the present Assad taking Presidency after his father died in 2000 (I think). This of course is the failure of an undemocratic nation and why we as a nation removed the Royalty from being supreme rulers and introduced a Parliament. It doesn't have to be 'royals' who have complete control, as we see it can be any family for generations, once the democratic principle is disposed of.

It is of interest but so much confusion, covering a wide area in the middle east.

Ive got a headache now Granny !

I am even more confused now

Both I think, ISIS oil from Iraqi and Syrian goes through the Kurds to Turkey and Iran via Syria.

The big problem I guess is that this oil is cheap and undercutting other prices.

There seems to be a lot of emphasis that the Americans "put" Maliki into power in Iraq which was bound to cause problems and could have been the trigger point for ISIS.

The whole thing is too complicated for me, too many factions and loads of dis-information. I'll stick to watching the $$$

Having scoured as much as I can and tried to reduce to hardly anything, this is what it appears to be. Cannot even think about how it has now developed and therefore not about to even consider unravelling. In fact ,it is probably completely above our heads anyway.
This is how it seems :

A country of turbulence since the second world war. An independent republic in 1946 .Democratic rule ended in 1949 with coup followed by coup d'e tat and yet another coup . Instability has obviously gone on for years .

So far as i can make out, after President Hafez al-Assad rule from 1971 to his death in 2000, when his son Bashar al-Assad the present President of Syria took the helm, not much had changed in all those years. Bashar al-Assad attempted to bring about a form of democracy, but there were secret meetings of political forums going on in private houses between various political activists followed by the Damascus Spring in 2001 when 10 political activists were arrested and imprisoned after a call for democracy and civil disobedience.

Certain reformists in Parlaiment were getting fed up as change was not happening and President Bashar al-Assad had failed to deliver on his promises.

The people in the poorest areas in Syria were becoming discontent with drought and poverty. Mainly conservative Sunni's areas. By 2011 Syria was facing high youth unemployment, as well as rises in living costs and deterioration of the standard of living.

Human Rights were also questionable. No freedom of speech , torture, poor prison conditions etc.

In 2004 riots took place in the Syrian Kurdish areas due to the fact that since 1969 the Kurdish Syrian had never been given citizenship .

So it looks as if the split in the different ethinic groups were starting then.

In 2010, there had been the uprising in Tunisia and Egypt which encouraged the protests in Syria in 2011.

Protest demands such as releasing all political prisoners were obviously not going to be met.

April 8th 2011 protests had taken place in 10 cities
April 22nd same in 20 cities
April 25th the Syrian Army started a series of large-scale deadly military attacks on towns, using tanks, infantry carriers, and artillery, leading to hundreds of civilian deaths. By the end of May 2011, 1,000 civilians and 150 soldiers and policemen had been killed and thousands detained among the arrested were many students, liberal activists and human rights advocates.

Iraq and others had lost control of their borders and what happened next ......well all hell let loose.

Basically it would appear that President Bashir al-Assad was no fit person to take the roll on board and he certainly doesn't want to give it up now either.

After disecting a lot of information about this, and admittedly done some copy and pasting , rather than re-typing everything , this maybe a fairly simple summary but there is no doubt that the Iraq war was the de stabilizing influence in Syria and other regions, but I blame the Germans

I'm still not sure if Al Qaeda were wanting the same end or if they were just promoting hate and wanting to take revenge on the West, in particular the Americans. Of course they are still in the equation, just attached to different groups now.

Just shows how political unrest can cause such a dreadful situation when a government looses control and other extreme groups move in once weakness shows.

Does any of this make sense ? Damn it, I do try hard and hoping Venice and Collette-Clarke can dispose of the anadin now.

Good luck !

Very neat parcel thanks Granny ! Plus I was wondering why we are'nt more involved , but I suppose the west could only join in legally with the support of the security council of the UN but that cant happen because the Russians who are on the security council are supportive of Assad and would veto any attempt to fight against him.

ps I also think extremist groups like ISIS swop about a bit with their fighting support, making it hard to see who is against who , because as long as complete mayhem and fear rules, that is the best environment for them in which to further their grip. Any route to an end etc.
(I wasnt meaning in my previous post that I wanted us to get involved by the way).

Tribes.

You need to go back to the end of the 1st world war when the Vast Ottoman empire was carved up by the French and British, lines where drawn on the map to decide who looked after which section of so vast an area. Done in the hope that never again would there be such a conflict as what had just ended

This is really interesting Jimbob. Gives maps going back thousands of years bringing them up to date and how areas have changed. Just click on any red dots, or the timeline below.

Nice to play about with anyway. At school the world map seemed a lot different to now. Names changes, split countries and different capitol cities in such a short period. No doubt the UK will have to find a new name one day soon too.

http://www.timemaps.com/history/world-1960ad

The top and bottom of it Granny, is encirclement. There was a plan to rid us of the evil governments. the plan was an invasion of Iran. we deposed Mubarek of Egypt, Gadaffi of Libya and moved on to Syria. We invented and supported ISIS to do this on our behalf. They went bandit, likewise Iran. Iran cut a deal and now we are left with a mess. Does that make it clear, it doesn't to me

Pablo, missed you.

Yep, following what you write to a point and then everything starts spinning and blanks out.

It's hard to realise what is actually happening from all of this Syrian war and others.

Sitting here listening to the Lottery Results and the weather forecast for tomorrow, wondering if it's gardening weather, and at the very same time people elsewhere are being beheaded, raped, tortured and running for their lives. Now it looks as if Turkey is getting caught up too. The refugees and asylum seekers in their tens of thousands descending on Europe and expecting their problems to be resolved. They are likely to need medical and/or hospital treatment.

Reckon worse problems are about to transpire in Syria . It would seem the Syrian government are just randomly bombing and the inhabitants of one city had not been allowed to leave. They were stopped by the Syrian army !! Now the UN have managed to get in, they find that typhoid is on the rampage.

These animals from ISIS have a huge hold on the country now and are not going to stop. That is very scary, no wonder people are fleeing , but they could be fleeing in the wrong direction.

News coming out of North Africa and Middle Eastern countries is a bit thin at the moment, which usually indicates that there is a plan of action in the pipeline. Let's hope it's not another stupid one.

Does anyone feel guilt about all this, when sitting watching tele or having dinner ? I feel as if I shouldn't be enjoying anything....which is probably ridiculous, but it seems so wrong.

We reap what we sow, but it's always the innocent ones and little children who suffer most.

About 10 years ago, a guy I met on a caravan site in North Wales, told me that he had recently back packed across Syria. He had nothing but praise for its people and he had befriended so many that he intended to return. I don't think he would venture there today. I know I certainly wouldn't. Let's just hope that its troubles are resolved soon. The current migration to Northern Europe by people from Syria and other war torn areas are a threat to all that we have taken for granted these past decades.

No guilt trip here! How can you expect people cooking their meal on a cow-pat to have modern Western values. They live a medieval life with similar values we had in those not too distant times.
In hindsight we should of left things alone, we didn't so I think it should be sorted the only way we Westerners know how, before the point of no return.When two Worlds collide somebody is going to get hurt and we had better take the blinkers off or it will be us.When it starts the poor refugees will be demonstrating and forming a fifth column in europe so let's not be naive to the point of stupidity.Let them all in on a temp basis sort it out and ship them back.Isis and napalm made for each other.

Totally agree, every country should be allowed to develop at its own pace, but the more "advanced" countries (if you can call them that) see ways of making great profits out of lesser developed countries and drag them into a different era.

Globalisation is generated by greed.

Globalisation is the ruination of all of us.

After the borders being removed in Europe, it would seem that the Germans are now looking to reinstate the borders throughout Europe. (still don't know why all decisions seem to be made in their camp)

Yemen are starving 20million, no supplies and no safe drinking water.

UN have launched an appeal for £1b. They haven't achieved it. They are now dipping into funds for £100m resulting in being unable to step up aid in other areas.

If there was any major happening in this country, we don't even have the skills to build an air raid shelter, grow enough food for 60 million, have enough cows to supply milk for 60 million, etc. Basically we and many other countries are no longer self sufficient.
Depending on who the enemy might be, we could be without medicines, electricity, oil, coal. What do we produce in this country on any sizeable scale any longer ? Even the apple trees were got rid of when they hoped we would buy French apples.

" In 2000, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) identified four basic aspects of globalization: trade and transactions, capital and investment movements, migration and movement of people, and the dissemination of knowledge."

Surprise, we've had problems with the listed aspects already, so could be another 21st century plan gone down the pan.

We'd all be advised to watch 'Bake-Off', learn how to make badger pie, stock up on the anadin , and get a massive big freezer.