This country is going back to maggie thatcher days.
I can see Birkenhead park and central park soon covered in tents with people living in them, ive just had a housing officer here, and even she is hoping for riots.
When are this govenment going to relise what they are doing to people.
We live in difficult times, but nothing like the thirties when nobody in Birkenhead had anything and there was no welfare state (safety net) nor free health service to fall back on back then. But, as far as I know, despite those hard times, and national means-testing, there was nobody living in tents in Birkenhead park.
Just as a matter of fact, Cameron told Parliament yesterday that the annual cost of housing benefit is more than £23billion. I don't believe that when Beveridge wrote his report into social living conditions in the UK, back in 1942, which led to the welfare state being introduced, that he ever envisaged that one day the country would be burdoned with that annual cost in free housing alone. I don't believe either that his intentions were to provide free housing for life for a huge percentage of the population, but that's what has come about.
I don't think anybody has the answer to the current economic crises either, which has seen the country in debt, to in excess of more than a trillion pounds. But rioting and trashing up our own communities won't solve any of it.
I'm no fan of any of the three major parties, especially Cameron's lot, but when your rocket ship is heading for a black-hole in deep space and certain armageddon, continuing on course for that black hole would be the captaincy of a mad-man.
Whatever your personal problems are, I wish you well.
It's easier to stay on benefit these days cuz your better off on it. I'm a single parent working full time but those living around me on the dole seem to have holidays, houses fit for kings I struggle every single wk and do wonder what am I doing! They have no worries about rent rises ect mines going up £5 a wk in April but the dole pays there's. I believe everybody should work for money even dole whether its litter picking painting anything at all. Not just sitting around chatting or going for sun beds!
If times are so hard then why is Liverpool packed with shoppers Saturday day time and the pubs packed with people Saturday evening?
I keep hearing that people claim times are hard, and for some I'm sure that's true, but maybe they're just spending more of their disposable income than we did in the 70s and 80s?
There was a recent story in the news about food waste, this never used to happen. And we didn't have the choice of shopping and value that we do now. You certainly couldn't get a tin of beans for whatever the equivalent of 9p was back then.
I bought a kettle for work last week - it was a fiver. Less than an hour of an average wage. Years ago something as simple as a kettle was a significant purchase. I remember years ago getting a Morphy Richards one for something like £20, which was easily a day's wage.
Car ownership is no longer a luxury any more, neither is a big telly and a full Sky or cable package, same with nightly takeaways.
The problem is many people have got so used to luxuries, for them they've become essentials. Saving for a rainy day? Forget it. People need to step back and take a look at the consumerism of their lives.
We live in difficult times, but nothing like the thirties when nobody in Birkenhead had anything and there was no welfare state (safety net) nor free health service to fall back on back then. But, as far as I know, despite those hard times, and national means-testing, there was nobody living in tents in Birkenhead park.
Just as a matter of fact, Cameron told Parliament yesterday that the annual cost of housing benefit is more than £23billion. I don't believe that when Beveridge wrote his report into social living conditions in the UK, back in 1942, which led to the welfare state being introduced, that he ever envisaged that one day the country would be burdoned with that annual cost in free housing alone. I don't believe either that his intentions were to provide free housing for life for a huge percentage of the population, but that's what has come about.
I don't think anybody has the answer to the current economic crises either, which has seen the country in debt, to in excess of more than a trillion pounds. But rioting and trashing up our own communities won't solve any of it.
I'm no fan of any of the three major parties, especially Cameron's lot, but when your rocket ship is heading for a black-hole in deep space and certain armageddon, continuing on course for that black hole would be the captaincy of a mad-man.
Whatever your personal problems are, I wish you well.
I dont have any personal problems. Also I do not get free housing.
And the tent statement i made, was not something i was saying had happened before, but the way this govenment are going, it wont be long.
Anyone know if any bookies are giving odds on Cameron being the first Uk Prime minister assassinated since 1812?
Its looking like a very good bet!!!
It's easier to stay on benefit these days cuz your better off on it. I'm a single parent working full time but those living around me on the dole seem to have holidays, houses fit for kings I struggle every single wk and do wonder what am I doing! They have no worries about rent rises ect mines going up £5 a wk in April but the dole pays there's. I believe everybody should work for money even dole whether its litter picking painting anything at all. Not just sitting around chatting or going for sun beds!
Maybe so pinky but those on the dole with luxury houses are the mugs who are racking up a lifetime of debt so I wouldn't worry about it.
When they come back from their holidays they will be paying tenfold.
Debt debt debt, not a very pleasant way of living.
Gibbos post is correct I have to agree.
People have no self respect, it's really that simple.
They see people working hard for nice things and think they deserve them too.
Just for a moment then I thought that headline said 'Maggie Thatcher Dies' and was about to crack open the Asti Spumante.
Back on topic, I tend to agree with the OP and believe north Wirral has been put back into an 1980's style 'Managed Decline' and all the things that it entails.
If times are so hard then why is Liverpool packed with shoppers Saturday day time and the pubs packed with people Saturday evening?
I keep hearing that people claim times are hard, and for some I'm sure that's true, but maybe they're just spending more of their disposable income than we did in the 70s and 80s?
There was a recent story in the news about food waste, this never used to happen. And we didn't have the choice of shopping and value that we do now. You certainly couldn't get a tin of beans for whatever the equivalent of 9p was back then.
I bought a kettle for work last week - it was a fiver. Less than an hour of an average wage. Years ago something as simple as a kettle was a significant purchase. I remember years ago getting a Morphy Richards one for something like £20, which was easily a day's wage.
Car ownership is no longer a luxury any more, neither is a big telly and a full Sky or cable package, same with nightly takeaways.
The problem is many people have got so used to luxuries, for them they've become essentials. Saving for a rainy day? Forget it. People need to step back and take a look at the consumerism of their lives.
Spot on!
I have a strong suspicion that all the people who are saying the govenment are great and do a good job and there are no problems, are the people who have a stable job and earn enough money to live Comfortable.
It always seems to be these people who are saying stop all benefits make the people on dole work for there dole, god help people if you where in power, you would have people who do not have a job livng down back alleys like rats.
Not everyone who does not have a job, does not want one.
I dont claim state handouts, but sometimes i wish i did, as i would be much better off.
Thatcher days my gluteus maximus. Here are the stats for UK unemployment from 1984 onwards:
http://tinyurl.com/cyanytrAs you can see, it peaked at 11.3% in May 1986. It's currently around 7.7%
As someone who was out of work in the 80s I can say that things were without a doubt far worse back then. This itself was a tea party compared to when my mum was a child in Wallasey in the 30s and kids literally went starving and without shoes.
We've got it easy if you ask me.
I have a strong suspicion that all the people who are saying the govenment are great and do a good job and there are no problems, are the people who have a stable job and earn enough money to live Comfortable.
It always seems to be these people who are saying stop all benefits make the people on dole work for there dole, god help people if you where in power, you would have people who do not have a job livng down back alleys like rats.
Not everyone who does not have a job, does not want one.
I dont claim state handouts, but sometimes i wish i did, as i would be much better off.
Erm, might i add i'm not on the governments side, they are all a bunch of idiots to put it politely.
F*&% the government & this country!
United Kingdom my ass!
None of the major parties represent the majority of people in this country, the once representative Labour party has been watered down and is not much better than the Tories, however we have in place at the moment one of the most vindictive insidious governments since Thatcher,sadly they thrive because most people have more interest in the x factor or football or are worshipping some nonity celebrity, wake up people this bunch of public schoolboys will see us all in the gutter,start seeking a better life for us through the ballot box at the next election.
Don't know about Birkenhead Park, but there was certainly a tent city in Leasowe/Moreton along with many other types of cheap housing. I agree with you. Day by day the UK is getting nearer to being a third world country. We will know we have arrived when immigrants stop coming here.
Some of us obviously have it easy, but the people I work with every day are having their noses pushed into the ground more and more. I fear the riots are coming and they will make 2012 look like a blip.
I have a strong suspicion that all the people who are saying the govenment are great and do a good job and there are no problems, are the people who have a stable job and earn enough money to live Comfortable.
It always seems to be these people who are saying stop all benefits make the people on dole work for there dole, god help people if you where in power, you would have people who do not have a job livng down back alleys like rats.
Not everyone who does not have a job, does not want one.
I dont claim state handouts, but sometimes i wish i did, as i would be much better off.
Can you explain to me why those who are on the dole SHOULDN'T work for it? Sure they should, or do you think it should just be handed out with no incentive to get back to work?
Some of us obviously have it easy, but the people I work with every day are having their noses pushed into the ground more and more. I fear the riots are coming and they will make 2012 look like a blip.
I agree with you on that one. council tax is on the rise again hard to keep up with the cuts and poeple loosing there jobs.
Question is how the hell can this country provide aid for Syria?when we meant to be short of cash.
Rumour says that more poeple from overseas are coming over soon.where the hell is the goverment going to house them or find them work.
I have a strong suspicion that all the people who are saying the govenment are great and do a good job and there are no problems, are the people who have a stable job and earn enough money to live Comfortable.
It always seems to be these people who are saying stop all benefits make the people on dole work for there dole, god help people if you where in power, you would have people who do not have a job livng down back alleys like rats.
Not everyone who does not have a job, does not want one.
I dont claim state handouts, but sometimes i wish i did, as i would be much better off.
Can you explain to me why those who are on the dole SHOULDN'T work for it? Sure they should, or do you think it should just be handed out with no incentive to get back to work?
Can you explain to me why those who are on the dole SHOULDN'T work for it?
I would be able to tell you, if I had of said that yes.Sure they should, or do you think it should just be handed out with no incentive to get back to work?
For give me if am daft, but is there not a incentive to stop claiming dole and go to work allready, (more money, and being able to provide for your family)
I have a strong suspicion that all the people who are saying the govenment are great and do a good job and there are no problems, are the people who have a stable job and earn enough money to live Comfortable.
[/b]It always seems to be these people who are saying stop all benefits make the people on dole work for there dole, god help people if you where in power, you would have people who do not have a job livng down back alleys like rats.
Not everyone who does not have a job, does not want one.
I dont claim state handouts, but sometimes i wish i did, as i would be much better off.
Can you explain to me why those who are on the dole SHOULDN'T work for it? Sure they should, or do you think it should just be handed out with no incentive to get back to work?
Can you explain to me why those who are on the dole SHOULDN'T work for it?
I would be able to tell you, if I had of said that yes.Sure they should, or do you think it should just be handed out with no incentive to get back to work?
For give me if am daft, but is there not a incentive to stop claiming dole and go to work allready, (more money, and being able to provide for your family) Sorry mate ill put it in bold so you can spot it...
As for that being an incentive why would people want to work when they can get money for free? Not everyone feels that state handouts aren't the norm. Unfortunately many people have grown up with every generation being on the dole. That mindset needs to be broken.
I have never said they shouldn't work for there dole money, i said its always the people who are well off and in stable job who seem to be saying it.
How people are better off on benefits is beyond me, how on earth do they 'work the system'? I was on benefits for 8 months last year and found it impossible to live on £71 @ week. I got rid of Sky, my landline, pet insurance etc and shopped around for everything, probably eating a lot of horse meat in doing so!
I'm working again now thankfully, but I don't think people should be made to work for their dole, if there's work to be done then the going rate should be paid for it.
We need to stop all aid to other countries and try and get our own house in order.
Making massive cuts and putting more people out of work isn't going to revive the economy.
Successive governments have all shied away from raising income tax, but I think they should
How people are better off on benefits is beyond me, how on earth do they 'work the system'? I was on benefits for 8 months last year and found it impossible to live on £71 @ week. I got rid of Sky, my landline, pet insurance etc and shopped around for everything, probably eating a lot of horse meat in doing so!
I've also pondered this because, for all the times in my life I've been unemployed, and now when I visit my unemployed friends homes, I've never ever seen it.
I've come to the only logical conclusion that there must be a button somewhere in their inconspicuously damp rented homes that, when pressed, swaps the chesterfield & massive state of the art entertainment sysytem, vintage Dom Perignon, beluga caviar and cohiba's - in a James Bond meets Bugsy Malone speakeasy style - for second hand furniture, happy shopper beans and roll-ups.
I'm not saying they should be working a full time week but 72 quid a week is effectively 12 hours pay. So what's the problem with that person doing 12 hours of work?
I agree totally I got made redundant from cadburys end 2011 iv had 2 jobs since 1st was only 16 hrs so I searched an searched an got a full time 1. There's people out there never had jobs with the additude there is none as I said iv had 2. Most of the 500 who got made redun wiv me r workin. Some people aren't interested cuz there comfortable on benefit.
AH wonderful, the governments divide and conquer tactics to have us plebs fighting with eachother about benefits when there are huge tax dodging corporations and greedy bankers causing far worse to society. reading this thread it seems it is working perfectly to plan hey. (oh, and I work five days a week in case anybody gets the wrong idea of my motives here)
We will know we have arrived when immigrants stop coming here.
A few facts on immigrants and politics:
Labour calls for immigration cut down after letting in 3.2 million foreignershttp://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/38...-after-letting-in-3-2-million-foreignersImmigrants must live in Britain for a year before claiming benefits, says welfare ministerhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ming-benefits-says-welfare-minister.htmlSomeone was recently moaning to me about how much the government gives out in foreign aid. Labour has also been spouting this, saying that charity should begin at home. (I totally agree) I pointed out that Labour actually DOUBLED the amount of foreign aid while they were in power, taking it to a staggering £7 billion by 2009.
This is the Socialist agenda at work (and you can now see it playing out in the USA under Obama, as we speak).
Make "the plebs" totally dependent upon the Government (or at least, offer a nice attractive "why work when you don't have to" mentality) and they will all vote Socialist for ever more.
By all means give benefits to people who TRULY NEED them but the creation of "the Welfare State" in a Democracy inevitably leads to this.
Fight on, Plebs! - but until we all take full responsibility for your own well-being and livelihood, then people will keep on moaning about "cuts" of many things that they should not have even needed the Guvmint to have provided for them in the first place.
Would you care to point out what you are trying to point out.
If you are going on about the bank statement, then please feel free to pm me your email address and I will gladly provide you with a copy of this, to prove I was not talking shit as you say I was.
When that bitch thatcher dies i hope she gets dumped down one of the mines she closed, and this parasite we have as a prime minister wont last till the next election,he will get kicked out (i hope).. he is turning soooo many people against himself, same said for that weasel ian duncan smith, im disabled and ive got to pay nearly £100 a month out for council tax and bedroom tax...this goverment is shooting itself in the foot becouse no one will vote for them at the next election (eccept for millioners)..
We're gunna have a
party!