Tonight I have received first hand information about a Chinese Orphanage from a person who has done mission work out there. An orphanage, out in the country away from the towns, where the little children are tied by their feet to wooden chairs, which have holes in the seat, so they can go to the toilet whenever they need to. That would indicate that they sit without any pants or nappies on most of the time.
Having had a look on the internet tonight, I have discovered that these claims have been made before, and also many of the orphans die from malnutrition .
Why oh why are our councils, companies, world governments and us as a nation happy to make deals with the Chinese, buy their goods, support their Olympics, and have nothing to say about such dreadful human rights atrocities? If we do, it seems to be soon forgotten again.
Most have strong feelings against the suffering of animals out there, but we hear little of the plight of these tiny little children. What is our world about? The Chinese have had a cruel streak in the past I suppose and one wonders if the same is still going on in Eastern block countries.We hear little about them these days and that is no help to those little children.
Sorry, because this is first hand information, it has gone deep within me and maybe I shouldn't be posting,just felt I had to share it with some of you out there.

In a word, money. That's the tragedy about the world and its double standards.

Only when you are in a position of power can you start dictating to other nations. We certainly can't beat China by force.

Once trade has been flowing for a while they will become dependent upon it or generally more amicable, then other countries can start the diplomatic moves to move into our ways of thinking (not that we are perfect either).

I think we are a bit two-faced that just because some countries have moved to more civilised things in the last few years, after being on the planet for 200,000 years that we expect other countries to jump overnight.

Look at the richest countries for reserves in natural resources - Afghanistan, South Africa, Iran, Mexico, Brazil, Columbia, Canada, Russia etc its interesting comparing the list to the most developed countries.

Then there is the "resource curse", well worth a read HERE

Okay. I'll play devil's advocate.

http://tinyurl.com/bmxjf4j

So reading this link above and a few other pages (the first ones that show up in a google search you could have done yourself rather than relying on 'first hand knowledge', but I digress ..) lead me to the conclusion that this happened at the Shanghai Children's Institute back in the late 80's / early 90's and it was documented and shown on the BBC (and the Oprah Winfrey Show; cause they love a scandal) and the Chinese government ended up getting increased funding for orphanages and used the negative experience in order to drastically improve the standards of living at the current orphanages.

You shouldn't trust 'first hand knowledge' explicitly.

well granny, we would all be lying if we said we did not know this kind of thing was going on, and your right its not just china. but i have to be the first to admit, iam a single mam of three and those kind of things i either flick the page in the paper, turn tele over and yes i choose to ignore. this is all because, i work in a bakery and have no power at all to do anything other than hand in old clothes when there finished with, and put in collection baskets when i can. of course i say the odd prayer that it all ends, i hope its just not me that deals with it this way.

You can't get more 'first hand' than someone who worked in the orphanage with them, last year, and nowhere near Shanghai.

Let me guess. Your first hand orphanage worker didn't take a single picture and so you're relying on them telling the truth. Amirite?

Let me give you an example. Some dude came on here a few weeks ago because his friend took a picture of a ghost on Bidston Hill, swore to heaven and earth that it wasn't a fake, his friend posted it on the paranormal board asking about it. Here's the link: https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/677454/Re_bidston_hill_ghost_picture.html

As you can see it was clearly shown to be fake. His friend wasn't telling the truth.

t;dr : PROOF WRU

Ex0, please don't push this down the wrong path. I am not interested in your opinions, because in this instance, you are not in a position or qualified to make any negative comments. Denial, is an option that has resulted in the downfall of many. Nobody has to prove anything to you, particularly a world organization.

fair point ex0

So just to recap: your friend worked in a national organisation that found kids being tied down for hours in a chinese orphanage and there's not a single article about it online?

Hey Granny, I went to Wales a couple weeks ago and I saw dozens of welsh people tieing down sheeps and doing all manner of unnatural things to them. You have my word on it (and this counts as my first hand information).

/bullshitcalled

obviously taking no notice of the road signs then

Granny,
I will accept what your friend has said. I do also accept that Exo makes some valid points.

On a basis that this sort of child treatment does go on (as it did in certain Eastern Bloc countries that are now in/ wishing to be in Europe) then the question is what can be done - if anything?

Short term the answer is nothing. There is NO way that any other countries can directly attempt to change what is based on an internal Chinese cultural problem that derived (mainly) as a hang-over from the "cultural revolution" - which please remember was directly responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of people - and within living memory.

A large part of that hang-over is the one child policy. Couple that with a fairly natural desire for families to have a male heir and the result is a lot of female babies being dumped into orphanages. Not all the children will be female - if you already have one son that a second was "not allowed".

The one-child policy is no longer mandatory. However, it TAKES TIME for rural societies to catch up and CHANGE THEIR THINKING. China is a vast country. Outside the cities many people cannot read. The country does NOT have a language that is understood everywhere - some local variants are as different as English & Greek would be in Europe. Therefore word spreads slowly and is vulnerable to the "interpretations" (read: personal opinions) of local politicians/ media.

If "we" - ie countries outside China, tried to shun China and it's output/ raw material / consumer goods demands then we would get absolutely nowhere. We need China. China does not really need us.

What is needed - AND WHAT WILL COME - is a change in attitude within China. There are now many millions of modern, urban, Chinese who are slowly but surely making their voices heard at the higher political levels.

I have been to China many times. I have many friends there and we communicate regularly. I KNOW that some of those friends are quite aware of the malpractices that go on in their country. I know one or two of them who really care enough about that such that THEY DO make contributions to local Chinese charities. Having been to China many times since the mid 1980s the difference between then and now is absolutely amazing. The first impact is visual - the cities are now mind-blowingly modern. More important the change has been in the people. They are no longer afraid to talk, express opinions or to (in moderation) criticise. More changes WILL come.

Having said all that I invite you to take one step back and think about the recent UK press exposures about the treatment of elderly people in certain (so called) Care Homes. Those practices were equally disgusting.

Snod

I don't see how this example helps your rebuttal. If pictures had been taken, you could have simply discounted them as fake.
Oh, and please don't use text speak, especially in a serious context.

Thanks Snod,
Your reply is welcome, and yes we can also look closer to home but in China, it's the millions of little children and babies who suffer because of the 'one child policy'.
In the meantime it's encouraging to hear your account on this and I thank you.

Granny,did you ever see that documentry called the crying room?
About the orphanage?
very sad story hun x

To be fair it was pretty obvious from the first post that it was nothing more than using 'protect the children' to have a go at the country itself. There was never going to be any proof of any kind. If there had have been I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong and gracefully bowing out (as I've done so before on these boards and others).

edit: yes yes, the internet lingo is wasted here

well granny you touched a nerve with this one. just goes to show people do choose not to be taken in by these stories and as we can see from certain replies people do deal with things in all dirrerent ways. as many ghost stories we ignore, as may welsh/sheep jokes we hear, its out there, somewhere, happening and god help them. max

Max, we do deal with things in different ways and as you mentioned in your first post, we tend to give these issues thought, when something jogs our memories. Nothing much to choose between us. As years have passed and all things quieten down, I for one have assumed that everything is improving, obviously those assumptions were very wrong. Maybe they are in certain places, but there must be so many forgotten ones..it breaks my heart.

As a final recap on this subject, if you ex0 or whoever you are now, should be watching, I am disgusted at .the way in which you accused me of making false accounts. This subject obviously means so little to you and your view on other peoples sufferings. You are not likely to get photographs and proof from Missionaries on the internet..you fool.
As it happens, the same person will be going to China again next year to do more. There are over 20,000 Christian Missionaries placed all over the world,and it's not for you to challenge the work they do or even the 'first hand' accounts they can divulge.There is alot more they can't talk about.
Why don't you take a few exams and join them. It might be a far more worthwhile way of getting your proof instead of making rash, stupid, argumentative comments about something so tragic.
I hope you can gracefully bow out now.
Prick!!!

unfortunately money makes the world go round, it will never changeand these stories will never go away untill people are pre pared to pay the price... whatever that may be