Oh well Boris is our new prime minister , another chapter begins. I just hope he is the clever buffoon as has been quoted ...we wait with bated breath eh .

Hard times ahead, vacant positions for right wingers, what bit of humanity there was has left the building, the hard right will now be centre stage.

*sigh*...

Great news

I never thought Boris would contemplate the leadership. Well, he's done it, and I hope he can bring the country together because it's probably the last ditch attempt.
Still the 'remainers' are kicking and screaming before he's got the key. The whole affair is so tiring now its difficult to imagine any change .

Heaven help us all if Corbyn and co should ever move into No 10. which I doubt , but that would clearly be the worst of all.

Good luck Boris .

Surely the appointment of a PM shouldn't be about leaving or remaining, when the brexit dust has settled( if it ever does) then we need someone to rebuild the country, to gain the trust of the people to do what is right, to fight inequality and heal divides, difficult to do for a party that has been the cause of it, one of his adoring party likened him to Churchill, a man they said that had made mistakes but held the country together, so perhaps they are hoping our floppy headed PM with his silly schoolboy grin and jolly japes will have us all singing for he's a jolly good fellow, while they feather their already guilded nests, to be honest granny, both of the main parties have lost their way, they seem to be more interested in their respective parties than the good of the country, the Lib Dems will jump into bed with anyone, and Farage is the worst of the lot, but yes it is difficult to imagine any change.

Boris can no more 'deliver' brexit than he can jump over the moon! You can forget it!

I don't know what the lunatics who voted for him will do when he fails to deliver. I don't expect they will string him up from the nearest lamp post. They are dim enough to say "Well that's Boris!" accompanied by an indulgent chuckle and a shake of the head.

As for Corbyn, the only thing you have to fear from him is that he will make you pay your taxes. If that's what you are afraid of, then the sooner he gets in the better.

Can only agree. So many have put their own personal preference before their own constituents , it's basically resulted in 'democracy' being a re-defined word .
I feel at a loss, but must keep some form of positivity and hope .

Could be wrong but I think Mr Corbyn is basically a good person , but do you not think that if he got in , he would ,with best intentions , put in so many money gobbling measures to make life easier for those who are having a difficult time financially , improve grants for this and that, remove various taxes, throw money at everything he could think of to try and fulfil promises to everyone , schools, hospitals , elderly care ,policing , more foreign aid , special policies for more immigrants etc all hugely expensive stuff - while at the same time hammering those in the country who own and run the businesses who employ the people who pay the taxes …..etc...etc...to the point where working hard is pointless , businesses go under because of too generous laws regarding staffing etc etc and so we borrow , borrow, borrow ----and eventually end up like a Southern hemisphere 3rd world country that owes to the point it can never ever pay back.

NO he's not a good person at all. He's a snivelling little devious rat. All you say I agree with Venice, he's already said he'd take back the NHS from PFI at a cost of £50 Billion !!!
How.. exchange it for Government Bonds. Ha !

N.B On Mrs May's leaving the House today after her last PMQ's, most of the House rose and applauded her as she left. Not the Labour front bench. They couldn't even stand up.. A row of puppets with the script in front of them.
Disgraceful ! A political party mainly made up from activists and rebels.
Even the SNP showed some courtesy and stood whilst applauding her exit.
Also noted that our own MP was not visible , but that's quite a common occurrence at PMQ's for her .

A third world country you say, are we not like a third world country now ? the UN concerned over the level of child poverty, a concern which the government poo pooed, food banks, people sleeping on the streets schools struggling, people laying on trollies in hospital entrances, All we need now is for Boris to get involved with Iran, maybe thinking of a Falkland factor, plenty of flag waving and brass bands, send our third world navy and depleted army, I really hope not.

I can't stand Corbyn and his self styled Robin Hood act. Rob the rich and give to the poor, sounds great but total fantasy! His monotonous voice goes through me I'm afraid and think he's totally false, a snake in the grass as I've said before....

The rich have robbed the poor to an unbelievable extent, what on earth is wrong with levelling (not even reversing) that process.

As I keep saying .... This Government has SPENT more money than any other UK Government in history, where do you think that money has gone when every Government expenditure the average person is aware off has been reduced.

Just a bit more of an interesting ride up to Halloween. But politics hasnt changed with the current parties so i cant see how BJ (isnt that short for something else ??!!) will make it happen. Just a delaying tactic to help keep career politicians milking the cow.

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OMG, that's frightening Granny, lol....

All hail our supreme leader BoJo.

Having just spent the last number of hours watching firstly, JRM as Leader of the Commons, followed by Boris in his address to Parliament, all I can say is the whole place has lifted incredibly so. Passion and uplifted spirits flooded the place.

A vigorous presentation from both. JRM was amazing and had both sides of the house, would you believe 'laughing' in approval and light heartedness but answered questions extremely eloquently and courteously ,.
Enter Boris and he delivered with such gusto, positivity, commitment , all I can say is...... " bloody brilliant "

He also managed to see off John Mcdonnell , who was clearly upset with a home truth being let out of the bag, and who disappeared straight afterwards.
The opposition, to my mind, looked deflated and lost. Corbyn was weak by comparison, ( not dealing with a woman now ) and Corby clearly stated that he is for a Remain position in Brexit.
New leader of the Lib Dems said she (amongst others) wanted another referendum, but also said if it was a Leave vote again, she wouldn't take any notice of it. Ha ! Boris referred to that as tyranny.

I'm happy and feel filled with promise and , hope and spirit again . Apparently , according to one reporter in the news at 1pm the EU are quite worried ! At long last , so they should be..

Here come BORIS !

That really sounds positive Granny, I didn't watch it ..I'm just hoping that he can sort brexit out once and for all. He could be the superhero that saves us all , hope so...lol

Can I just remind you of Theresa May's "left-wing" speech when she started.

Boris sounds pretty positive, We will just have to wait and see if he will deliver all the promises.

BREXIT, end of October, Trick or treat lol

Words are cheap granny, his grandstanding means nothing, one thing that annoys me is the finger pointing, continually stabbing his finger to try and make a point, as to not dealing with a woman come on granny really, when pressed about the 20,000 extra police he had to be rescued, probably before he put his foot in it, they are going straight for a no deal, next move will be to shut down the talks in Brussels on the pretext of one thing or another, to make it look as though he's tried his very best but will blame the EU,

What if he does keep his word and proves you wrong?Will have a change of heart or still doubt the guy?

Bottom line we just have wait and see if Boris is all for the country and the people who voted leave.If he does go back in his promises then he will not last long because i think the Brits would have have had enough by then.And no one will vote Tory or Labour .

Brexit party will win the next election.

Well, it seems to me that no matter what... the media have turned most of us into pessimists and critics with the national quota of moaners ( as we are known by most overseas friends and relations)

I am behind Boris, because he is the only one now to get us out of the EU . So positivity is a must.

I'm fed up hearing whingeing and being a whinger , my life is too short now to even be bothered any longer . I feel optimistic, those who aren't, just want to halt Brexit and stay in the EU,( mostly from London where the media is transmitted from and by Remainers. They have certainly done their job well on the majority of us ) It won't happen , not unless they' be happy with a revolution on their hands. Probably something that Corbyn would appreciate, just like Venezuela . Overthrow the Monarchy, spend £50 billion buying back the NHS, support Tehran, steel from the rich to fund the benefits, but failing to realise that more and more would be taken out of his grubby little fingers ..... How remaining in the EU would allow to continue on that path, I really don't know. So a bag full of tricks are up his sleeve .

I suggest all should get together, unite and overthrow the Government. At least they'd all be united as a country , crown Corbyn and see where you all end up. Take a chance, why not ?

Did you watch it , Casper. If you have a couple of hours or even some of it..

JRM.. entertainment value !

Boris's speech was the same old Conservative pre-election speech rolled out yet again and yes, the British public will fall for it yet again in hope that it may be true this time.

Even with the DUP the Government currently has a minority

Conservatives plus DUP (311 + 10) = 321
All the other parties 327

There is one seat vacant but even with that and the speaker's vote the Conservatives would still have a minority.

One of the architects of project brexit that lit the fuse, not for the good of the country nor the will of the people but for self promotion, a project I might add that backfired and over the last three years has split the country and cost billions, caused disruption is now promoted to the messiah that will lead us all out of the wilderness, as leader of this forthright band of disciples he now promises to return what his party has taken away ( we taketh away and so shall giveth back, maybe) one of the main reasons I voted remain was not that I love the EU but the fear of what we have now a hard right government, waiting in the wings to take full advantage, like granny I am past caring for myself but fear for our children and grandchildren, so can only do what we think is best,after the past years of misery, can anyone honestly see a 360 turn in this governments approach? things can only get better, cant they?

The almost certainty is that the same applies to all parties. Look at Chukka .. he is a perfect example. Trying to claw his way to the top by hopping from one to another. The country has been split by far too many interfering , like Blair and Major, Miller and so many more , but I really don't know what all the critics of the new cabinet and leader would prefer.

If they actually said, it might make some sense. We need a Government, so which Government ? Tell me which Government would those on here who have decided they again don't like the tory line up or Boris, or May, or any of them, which Government with which leaders ???

My daughter is strong pro Corbyn, she thinks he's the best ever !! ( but she's a teacher , so that says it all . Like sheep to the slaughter) One son voted leave but is convinced it won't happen, the other son voted leave despite being pro Europe initially but has a brain and figured all things for himself without anyone else's persuasion. As a family , we never really discuss it, apart from my daughter being so hot under the collar if the subject is raised, so we don't raise it.

It is my grandchildren who I am concerned for , but I suppose living in a European State , like America, with a large dollop of socialism on the edge of communist countries will always be preferable to being an independant nation, where we can elect our own .
741 million people and 7 more countries waiting to join the EU. Let's not forget these people will be shared out , not evenly, but according to where they wish to live and work . To control all people in all nations will need a lot of enforcement , and as times move on, the punishments will be set in Brussels for all to abide by.
One clear example is the evolvement in the prison services

In 2005 .. https://www.epsu.org/sites/default/files/article/files/PSIRUprisonreport2005-2.pdf

quote " The Council of Europe‟s Parliamentary Assembly has also expressed a wish
for a European Prisons Charter that would “set common standards for the
harmonisation of penalties and detention conditions and the monitoring of
their application.”
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The European Prison Rules are being revised and will
address the emergence of privately run prisons. But these rules are not
formally binding on member states.

Meanwhile, the EC is fully committed to privatisation through the use of public
private partnerships for new infrastructure and the provision of services.
Neither the EC‟s Green Paper on Public Private Partnerships nor the
„Bolkestein Directive‟ regarding services in the internal market specifically
mention criminal justice services. But nor are they exempted from
consideration. However, this could be interpreted as a rejection of the moral
and ethical objections to private sector involvement in owning criminal justice
infrastructure, operating services and shaping policy as well as a dismissal of
the international evidence that, operationally, prison privatisation is the wrong
policy option.

The neo-liberal agenda includes the dismantling of public criminal justice services..." . unquote

All very encompassing, and part of the integration that has continued to dominate all our services and as there is a little mention about ' not being formerly binding on member states' that always allows the blame and finger pointing to be directed at a national government , which is precisely what we have been doing over the last how ever many years . The day will come when we won't have a choice of who makes the laws, and you know that as well as anyone. Who will be leading the EU in 20 yrs time ? We only know what we know now, but in this country we still have the option to vote for change not an unelected bunch of bureaucrats (that's a French word too ) . We could be ruled by the ex Albanians, Romanians, Latvians, and all pre eastern block countries who grew up under communism and don't know true democracy, because if they are member states, they have to have positions of power at one level or another.
Animal suffering is horrendous in those countries particularly Albania but they are animals themselves even now, and all mainly Muslim countries. Different cultures will never totally mix. We can live amongst and be civil to each other and it should work both ways, but to mix cultures from 1000's of years ago is not going to work . Blood bath !

That's my lot.. hope everyone gets their own political wish come true.

Oh ,, and in the first quarter of this year, the number one importer of German weapons was..... Turkey. We all know what's going on there too. (maybe we all don't, but we can find out if we want to ). State sponsored terrorism.

Francis Ricciardone, United States Ambassador to Turkey from 2011 to 2014, claims that Turkey had directly supported and worked with al-Nusra Front and Ahrar al-Sham in the Syrian conflict for a period of time. Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Russia, Iran and Egypt have designated Ahrar al-Sham a terrorist organization but the U.S. has not. The United Nations Security Council and many countries including the US class al-Nusra as a terrorist organisation;] it was the official Syrian branch of al-Qaeda until July 2016, when it ostensibly split.

Well said Granny, a lot of it too deep for me but I get the gist of it... Boris has got to prove himself and be given a chance as you say no one else on the horizon for me , at least he said increasing police force although that’s just replacing the ones that we lost but hell a step in right direction. I’m going to keep hoping and be positive about him .....

So a guy with a track record of failing at previous positions he has had is given the benefit of the doubt, yes he's got to prove himself but no he won't do it, indeed he has already failed by the end of day one!.

He failed as Foreign Secretary by insulting numerous foreign people.

He failed as London Mayor by silly projects that wasted huge amounts of money.

Just look at the cabinet appointments.

A person that breached security is in charge of security.

Another person sacked for security breach is also in the cabinet.

A banker that helped the banks collapse and was aware of tax avoidance scams in his company is treasurer.

Someone that doesn't believe in workers rights as trade secretary.

An Education secretary that makes Jacob Reese Mogg look contemporary.

He's already failed!

The trouble is DD is people are tribal, Boris is waving the Union Flag, indicating past glories the Empire etc, come on chaps we are British, we can do it, simple indoctrination, if you don't back his version or his dream of Great Britain then you are a traitor a communist along with the piccaninies and the bum boys, his earlier preoccupation with smashing restaurants up gives us a disturbing insight into his mindset that you can pay to make things go away,




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Yes Boris is a classic example of an Eton bully that hasn't grown up, surely people don't really see him a leader and don't trust him with power???

Its literally only weeks since he was classed a clown with very few disputing it.

You will notice he goes "missing" now and then while the PR gurus strap him in chair for a few days and re-indoctrinate him then he suddenly re-appears and talks like he is a bit less of a buffoon than normal, but it doesn't last and he disappears again.

He is the ultimate fall guy for the Conservatives, if he goes down he won't take the party with him, everybody will just revert to calling him a clown, not the Conservatives' clown.

Barnier's figure for leaving the EU, is £60 billion ! Is it worth it ?

Nobody has answered my previous question.. Who would they like to see as leader of which party and who in the cabinet ?

George Galloway and a either resurrected Respect Party or the Labour Party with Brexit.

Galloway, Corbyn, Livingstone, McDonnell and Skinner (no surprises there).

That wouldn't be allowed, ...... George Galloway just been sacked from talk Radio for an anti-Semitic tweet . I know you have always followed George , and he's got his good points I suppose (supporting the Palestinian people).
I'm pretty furious that free speech is in decline, but when making such a tweet, he was clearly asking for backlash.

I have been monitoring some posts on social media following an increase in Tory propaganda threads, the comments mainly come from those that wish to leave and racists, basically the same make up as Brexit party supporters, so its not about the man but the policy although both Boris and Farage present themselves as thoroughly decent chaps ready with a quip to charm the gullible, some what akin to the proverbial used car salesman.

So you think politicians should present themselves as indecent non-persuasive people? What you are saying is that you damn them either way!

In the eyes of leavers the remainers are gullible, in the eyes of remainers the leavers are gullible. Nobody can deny that project fear exists.



Are you saying the policy is racist?

What i'am saying DD is that the facade of hail fellow well met disguises what they represent, you knew what Thatcher represented she made no secret of it.

I never said nor implied the policy is racist, I read comments from those that wished to leave, basically saying lets get it done and I also read some comments that suggest that those from other countries should go home or be returned, "so we can have our country back", probably because nationalism encourages some to say that, sadly the Union flag and the cross of St George has been hijacked as a rallying base for some of these groups,

What concerns me more than leaving or staying is what we will inherit after the dust settles.

Without about 23 years out of the last 40 years having gross mismanagement of our economy its going to catch up with us anyway.

The EU will collapse at sometime, the sooner we distance ourselves the better. They simply haven't got the money to bribe countries to stay in and they haven't got the money to finance the countries on the waiting list. Even if we remained the EU's sugar daddy they are running out of money fast.

To demonstrate how the bribery is in action, Poland has the most EU subsidies by far (possibly more than all the other subsidised countries added together?) yet Poland doesn't have much of a national debt, much less than ours or France's and even less than Germany's (in the common term of debt as a percentage of GDP). Why are they heavily subsidising a country that is not badly in debt yet taking money off countries that owe much more.

and a population that has dropped by 7 million to 38 million since 2011, whilst ours and others have risen to almost double their now population.. Makes one think !!

Mrs Merkel was raised in East Germany , maybe they like to stay friends through thick and thin.