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Britain Welcomes White Helmets

Posted By: granny

Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 28th Sep 2018 10:55pm



... and families ! I hope Teresa May and Jeremy Hunt have made the right decision. They have not headed the warnings from all the Syrian people.

This article conveys what most Syrians think and say about them.

https://www.rt.com/uk/439260-white-helmets-resettled-uk/
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 28th Sep 2018 11:15pm


(Heeded) laugh

Maybe some would like to watch this again..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXAGlo2IpA
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 28th Sep 2018 11:40pm

Not one example given of what he was talking about, all he said was that Islamists were promoting Islam.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 12:02am

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Not one example given of what he was talking about, all he said was that Islamists were promoting Islam.


Did you not hear him say that the white Helmets Head quarters were situated right next to the Islamist. What's up with you these days DD ? You seem to be trying to put everything I say, mention or try to discuss into the bin ?
I'll leave you to it but suggest you watch the video again and listen carefully.
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 1:08am

Originally Posted by granny
Did you not hear him say that the white Helmets Head quarters were situated right next to the Islamist.


I must be losing it, I don't understand the significance of that, what is it supposed to mean?

If Ashdown gave even one example of what is there that he considers "extreme" it would start to have some credence. Some people consider normal Sharia law extreme.

There is no claim that the two existed side by side at the same time, his comments suggest that both are abandoned they could have been abandoned years apart.

I just hear a load of words with zero content the same as many media sensationalisms of nothingness.

Ashdown's history is hardly convincing .... on his meeting with Asaad in 2016: “He was standing there surrounded by all this grandeur, yet completely alone, I felt very privileged. It’s terrible how the media twist things.”

The only people that get passes into Syria are Asaad sympathisers and White Helmet criticisers and Ashdown has had many passes (10 visits I think).
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 10:41am

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
Did you not hear him say that the white Helmets Head quarters were situated right next to the Islamist.


I must be losing it, I don't understand the significance of that, what is it supposed to mean?



If Ashdown gave even one example of what is there that he considers "extreme" it would start to have some credence. Some people consider normal Sharia law extreme.

There is no claim that the two existed side by side at the same time, his comments suggest that both are abandoned they could have been abandoned years apart.


I just hear a load of words with zero content the same as many media sensationalisms of nothingness.

Ashdown's history is hardly convincing .... on his meeting with Asaad in 2016: “He was standing there surrounded by all this grandeur, yet completely alone, I felt very privileged. It’s terrible how the media twist things.”

The only people that get passes into Syria are Asaad sympathisers and White Helmet criticisers and Ashdown has had many passes (10 visits I think).



Maybe I expect others to understand more than they do. HQ next to the Jihadist HQ, which had been a hospital but was now a school delivering extreme Islamic teachings. Connection is that they worked together..... WH and Jihadists. It has often been said and filmed. I don't think the original intention was for that to happen, however it has been shown that the wrong element could have entered into the WH's as a means of getting money (pay) and supplies through to the not so desperate people. The civilians have always said the WH treated the rebels rather than the civilians. Blackmail, or what we will not know. My point is that I hope these infiltrators have not managed to masterfully secure their passage to UK or any other European country incognito.
Ashdown of course will have 'many passes' as you call it. He's part of the Christian church that has actually done immense work in the region. Syria is a secular country. Before all this it was Muslim, Jew, Christian side by side churches ,mosques and temples all on the same street. This is what makes me so upset, everyone seem to think that Syria is an 'Islamic state', Damascus was the birth place of Christianity , the Syrians have for long enough had a multicultural attitude.

Anyway, don't believe these WH are people who have been hand picked by the Brits, one also wears a G4S shirt, so how many different organisations he works for we'll never know.
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 12:05pm

I still don't understand why the White Helmets HQ being close to an ISIS HQ is considered a problem? They are a neutral organisation and like the Red Cross they work with both sides, that's the nature of their function.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 12:20pm



They also stand on the side lines to witness executions, then immediately after, pick up the bodies and put them in body bags ! There is footage of this happening. Everyone can make their minds up, but general consensus is that many of them actually support the jihadists, and certainly are under their control.
One good reason why the ordinary civilians were terrified to go for medical treatment to hospitals or doctors, they didn't know who was running the show .
Syria had their own Red Crescent , the official organisation. They didn't need another by the name of WH which morphed into Syrian Civil Defence, which were self organised.
Posted By: snowhite

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 12:26pm

Theresa May has confirmed that the UK will continue to fund the White Helmets, after the US withdrew £200 million ($271 million) in Syrian aid – including money that would go to the controversial group.

During PMQs Labour’s Matthew Pennycook, the Greenwich and Woolwich MP pushed the PM on whether or not she would continue to fund the The White Helmets, officially known as the Syria Civil Defence, a volunteer group that operates in areas controlled by jihadist and Al-Qaeda-linked groups in Syria.

“Despite the ever-present threat of death... the rescue workers of the White Helmets have never stopped saving the lives of their fellow Syrians,” Pennycook said. “Last week the Trump administration froze their US funding.

“With thousands of civilian lives at risk will the prime minister step up, pledge the government to plug the funding shortfall that now exists, and ensure these heroic rescue workers can continue their work?”



May did not hesitate in her response, praising the efforts of the non-governmental search-and-rescue organization.

“We recognise the very important and valuable work that the White Helmets are doing,” she said. “They are, as he says, doing this in horrendously difficult conditions. They are incredibly brave to be continuing with that work.”

The UK PM then pledged to review the current financial package for the White Helmets, hinting at further funding down the track. “We do support them, we will continue to support them, and my right honourable friend, the international development secretary will be looking at the level of that support in the future,” May said.

Although the White Helmets say they act solely as a makeshift emergency response team in a time of crisis, claiming to have heroically saved more than 70,000 lives in war-torn Syria, others question its motives. Footage from Syria has repeatedly appeared to show members of the White Helmets assisting jihadist groups, while multiple accounts from civilians suggested they only helped “their own” and use civilians caught up in conflict only for publicity.

Published on the 8th of MAY 2018
Posted By: snowhite

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 12:30pm

Originally Posted by granny

(Heeded) laugh

Maybe some would like to watch this again..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXAGlo2IpA

Posted By: ShySusie

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 2:02pm

I wondered what all the fuss about the White Helmets was. I thought they were a military motorbike display team.
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 3:32pm

Originally Posted by granny
They also stand on the side lines to witness executions, then immediately after, pick up the bodies and put them in body bags !


Yes, exactly as the Red Cross would do, they cannot act or they lose their neutrality.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 9:34pm

In response, I doubt the Red Cross would stand by knowing of what was about to happen and then cheer and punch the air with fists as the execution was done.

I could put up videos but they are too horrific to put up here. All I can say is, that I would not wish to live next to or near some of this merry band of brothers. There are many videos ,one reporting the details and remnants of the WH HQ, Al Nusra HQ and vicinity that Ashworth was talking about.

For others to attempt to point out the truth about these so called humanitarian volunteers, who were electricians and shoe makers, not medics, are not gaining anything from their reports.
So we have to ask what are the reasons for people making such claims with footage and what most people could accept as evidence.
Exactly as Ashworth said in the video. Independent reporters have visited and reported and filmed, but their accounts are always discredited and dismissed.
I believe similar happened in Iraq. The truth was never believed until it was too late.

It's also strange that Raed Saleh, head of the Syrian Civil Defense,(WH'S) was refused entry into US, (on two occasions) due to possible 'extremist connections' it was reported, but maybe not. ! US funded them to the tune of $25 million . UK funded them to £60 million.

From what I can make out, one group saved the lives of a lot of cats !
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 29th Sep 2018 9:46pm



Thanks for the above Snowy
Posted By: ShySusie

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 30th Sep 2018 7:43am

OMG! Just been researching the White Helmets. Impartial and neutral they are not. I don't recall either the Red Cross or Red Crescent members taking selfies with severed heads while laughing. Sharing accommodation with terrorists (other terrorists I should say), stealing, looting, torturing, raping and killing. Why on earth are we allowing these people in? Don't we have enough terrorists here already?

Much of the stuff I have watched and read is just too horrific to put on here even as a link but it is all there on Google and Youtube including lots of first hand accounts of ordinary people who have had to suffer their abuses and terrorism first hand.

This quote says enough. Another article far too graphic for this forum details in pictures and words the White Helmets penchant for mutilating the genitals of their enemies.

“The White Helmets have been filmed describing Syrian Arab Army bodies as “trash” and one particular video shows them standing on top of a pile of SAA soldier’s bodies, whose boots have been removed or stolen. The White Helmets talk about the bodies in pejorative terms and they flick a victory V sign as the truck drives off “~ White Helmets Campaign for War not Peace"
Posted By: venice

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 30th Sep 2018 8:23am

Almost impossible to know the truth . This is worth a read . Ive read a lot from both sides and I really cant decide whether the WH are goodies or baddies , so much fake stuff around.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories
Posted By: ShySusie

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 30th Sep 2018 9:40am

You know what Venice that is so true. It is hard to believe anything any more. It's hard to know what is what in Syria. Everyone is killing each other. I admit a lot of the stuff I read was from Russia. There was pics of guys with white helmets on desecrating bodies and posing with severed heads but anyone could fake those I suppose.

Suppose we will only find out when they arrive here and start setting bombs off or chopping heads off.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 30th Sep 2018 7:52pm

Originally Posted by ShySusie
OMG! Just been researching the White Helmets. Impartial and neutral they are not. I don't recall either the Red Cross or Red Crescent members taking selfies with severed heads while laughing.


I am assuming you saw the photograph of young man holding up a severed head of a boy ?

If so, watch this video, you will recognise him ! (it doesn't show that mentioned in the video)



https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2016/08/syria-white-helmets-160812150421487.html

Why would there be a secret hospital ?
The Syrian Civil Defence do not form until 2014 (not 2011 as stated in video)


Venice, the Guardian is a voice piece with concepts in allegiance to West. None of their journalists have been to Syria to report, it is the same from their side of the fence as it is from the other side of those accused of propaganda and fake news. Personally I believe first hand accounts before the British press, or the Russian press, particularly as mentioned the other day with DD about the majority of the worlds media is controlled by 5 top companies or individuals. That is surely more questionable than personal accounts ?
Posted By: venice

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 30th Sep 2018 9:22pm

Wouldnt argue with you granny , I still think no-one can know for sure unless theyre there.
Posted By: ShySusie

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 1st Oct 2018 8:21am

Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by ShySusie
OMG! Just been researching the White Helmets. Impartial and neutral they are not. I don't recall either the Red Cross or Red Crescent members taking selfies with severed heads while laughing.


I am assuming you saw the photograph of young man holding up a severed head of a boy ?

If so, watch this video, you will recognise him ! (it doesn't show that mentioned in the video)



https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2016/08/syria-white-helmets-160812150421487.html

Why would there be a secret hospital ?
The Syrian Civil Defence do not form until 2014 (not 2011 as stated in video)


Venice, the Guardian is a voice piece with concepts in allegiance to West. None of their journalists have been to Syria to report, it is the same from their side of the fence as it is from the other side of those accused of propaganda and fake news. Personally I believe first hand accounts before the British press, or the Russian press, particularly as mentioned the other day with DD about the majority of the worlds media is controlled by 5 top companies or individuals. That is surely more questionable than personal accounts ?


Yes Granny and I watched Tapestry of Terror last night which beyond any single doubt matches up other white helmet members with their alter ego terrorist roles. Seems the West has been well and truly duped. Wonder how long before the first white helmet terrorist attack here?
Posted By: venice

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 12th Oct 2018 11:28am

Whatever the truth, there is no shortage of accusations against the white helmets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrTYOP2cDAg
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 12th Oct 2018 2:24pm

There are no shortage of accusations against most military forces in the world - and even some charities! Because there are some incidents involving a relatively small number of people it doesn't mean the whole organisation is bad or corrupt.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 12th Oct 2018 10:54pm

Originally Posted by venice
Whatever the truth, there is no shortage of accusations against the white helmets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrTYOP2cDAg



I very much doubt it was a small number of people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjTw4UEzySw


What happened out there was, the Jihadis took control of the banks, the jihadis took control of the hospitals, the jihadis took control of the schools, the jihadis took control of the post office, the jihadis took control over everything. That is why, people were frightened to go for medical help, parents stopped sending their children to school, there is no postal service to Syria, banks are closed meaning no one can get their money or be paid and so it goes on. For anyone to get money to live they had to become part of the jihadists or give their money over. Even those who were paid through organisations into their place of work, if they were working in hospitals alongside ambulance men, the money had to go through ISIS first. So you see how ISIS and others had control of those who were thought to be heroes. Now , the White Helmets were also running charities, either from this country or from within Syria. Did the money go to the people needing it ? Probably not. There are many who would have joined the White Helmets if it meant they were being paid and many of those would .I'm sure be of questionable associations.
People in Aleppo running up to when the civil war took off, were being paid NOT to go to work. Who could afford that and why ?
The plain fact is that Syria had it's Civil Defence founded many years ago. There was no reason for UK and US to introduce the White Helmets , pretending to be humanitarians when they were fully intending to overthrow Assad, just like they did Sadam Hussain. White Helmets, any no-mark Syrians put together by a military man ?
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 12th Oct 2018 11:05pm



https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/article/isis-captures-stock-of-poisonous-gas
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 3:08am

I still haven't seen any data as to when the two neighbouring headquarters were opened and closed.

Using the same logic the current German Government must be Nazi because they meet in the Reichstag???
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 7:31am

Well, I don't think those is Aleppo (shown in video) actually closed , they were obliterated. You'd probably have to find out when Aleppo was bombed to rubble. That was probably the end of both particular HQ 's .
The opening was when the ISIS took over the school and surrounding buildings.
The Brits didn't go into Aleppo to set up this White Helmet outfit .
Posted By: snowhite

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 9:32am

I would say no to white helmets.

A bit off topic,But why is the PM not helping white south African farmers who really need refuge?
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 12:48pm

Originally Posted by snowhite
A bit off topic,But why is the PM not helping white south African farmers who really need refuge?


I’m sure they meet the requirements for asylum and would be welcome here.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 3:14pm

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by snowhite
A bit off topic,But why is the PM not helping white south African farmers who really need refuge?


I’m sure they meet the requirements for asylum and would be welcome here.


Why would they be welcome here ?

In one of your comments above you said " There are no shortage of accusations against most military forces in the world " . White Helmets are not military forces. One also has to wonder how 'volunteers' can cost UK £64million , plus. Maybe it's for their uniforms , which never seem to look dirty in photographs, considering they are digging rubble and should be covered in ash and dust .
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 4:55pm

Originally Posted by granny
Why would they be welcome here ?

Because they meet the criteria for UK asylum plus they generally have enough money to support themselves.

Originally Posted by granny
In one of your comments above you said " There are no shortage of accusations against most military forces in the world " . White Helmets are not military forces.

You missed a bit out from the end of my criteria, I also had "and even some charities!" on the end.

Originally Posted by granny
One also has to wonder how 'volunteers' can cost UK £64million , plus.

There were around 3000 stipended white helmets which the the UK gave £38.4m over 6 years so that's just over £2k per helmet per year, but there were contracted services that were paid for as well. Because they volunteer for something doesn't mean they are unpaid, it means they did it out of free choice.

Originally Posted by granny
Maybe it's for their uniforms , which never seem to look dirty in photographs, considering they are digging rubble and should be covered in ash and dust .

Dry dust doesn't stick, a good beating can get it off, in fact powder is used to clean materials in some circumstances. I sometimes vacuum clean my work clothes, its better than creating a grinding paste that not only stains but wears the washing machine seals and pump.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 13th Oct 2018 9:52pm



http://syrianwar1.blogspot.com/2017/11/white-helmets-exposed-as-extremists-65.html


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/white_helmets
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 5th Jan 2019 1:13am



Kept silent through fear for long enough, and now the Syrian people can start to tell the truth.


https://www.facebook.com/md.press.news/videos/990677071089106/
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 5th Jan 2019 1:43am

Amazingly, on the 25th November 2018, it was announced that an agreement had been reached between Israel, Cyprus ,Greece and Italy for laying the worlds longest pipeline.


https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-agreement-reached-on-israel-europe-gas-pipeline-1001261984

I believe Israel wanted the originally planned pipeline to go through Syria to Turkey to Europe. Everything seems to be falling into place and all our politicians are clearly liars.



Posted By: casper

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 5th Jan 2019 9:14am



I believe Israel wanted the originally planned pipeline to go through Syria to Turkey to Europe. Everything seems to be falling into place and all our politicians are clearly liars.



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Whatever our differences are on some subjects, we certainly agree on this one.
Posted By: granny

Re: Britain Welcomes White Helmets - 5th Jan 2019 1:55pm


Politicians have always lied, but when lies cover up the deaths of so many , in so many countries, then to my mind they should not be in politics and playing the bitch to others.
No one ever brings up the white phosphorus that has been used in Gaza and Syria by those who cast the first accusations of chemical weapons .
They failed in Iraq in Libya and now in Syria , leaving a trail of death, misery, poverty and terrorism which threatens the whole world.
Next stop Lebanon.. ???
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