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Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil

Posted By: RUDEBOX

Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 16th Jan 2017 5:58pm

Unite Press Release

Immediate release: Monday 16 January 2017

Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 million in management consultancy fees, claims Unite

The cash-strapped NHS could be spending up to £15 million on management consultants for advice on the secretive shake-up of the health service in England, Unite, the country’s largest union, warned today (Monday 16 January).

Unite, with 100,000 members in the health service, said that health secretary Jeremy Hunt needed ‘to come clean’ on the true cost of the expenditure on management consultants in relation to the 44 Sustainability and Transformation Plans (STPs) for England.

The union said another major reconfiguration of the NHS, following hard on the heels of the controversial Health and Social Care Act 2012, could see closures or relocations of local hospitals and A&E departments.

Unite calculated the £15 million figure, after the media revealed that NHS chiefs in Coventry and Warwickshire had forked out £343,000 to PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) for advice on saving money in their local STP plan.

If each of the 44 STPs spent a similar sum on management consultants, the figure could reach £15 million, as the NHS is enveloped in a winter crisis, reinforced by hard-hitting comments last week by the chief executive of NHS England, Simon Stevens on the level of funding the NHS had received from the Tory government.

Unite national officer for health Sarah Carpenter said: “It is very disturbing news from Coventry and Warwickshire that the management consultants are again scooping up loads of taxpayers’ cash to proffer advice on the local STP.

“If this sort of spending was extrapolated across the 44 STPs in England we are talking about a figure of £15 million – Unite is calling on Jeremy Hunt to come clean on how much management consultants are being paid for so-called advice on STPs.

“Any such funds would be much better spent on frontline services, such as under pressure A&E departments, rather than on jargon-filled reports.

“The NHS is reeling from a starvation of cash. The health service is at crisis point and we have not yet reached the worst of the winter weather.

“Simon Stevens, the head of NHS England, is right to raise serious concerns at the insufficient level of NHS funding and an urgent financial injection into the health service is desperately needed.”

The 44 STP ‘footprints’ for the disparate geographical areas each have their own plans, which were prepared by mainly local NHS apparatchiks with no public involvement. The limited public consultation process was due to start this month, with implementation expected later in the year.

ENDS
Posted By: granny

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 16th Jan 2017 6:13pm


Ha ha !! ..and they used Pricewaterhouse Cooper ??? . What a joke !

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/revealed-300k-bill-accountants-help-11945662
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 16th Jan 2017 10:43pm

0.013% of budget on consultancy fees doesn't seem at all disproportionate?

Value for money? Mmm, tend to agree with granny on this, I've seen PWC operate at first hand. Surely bound to be conflicts of interests where PWC have other clients that will benefit from their NHS recommendations?
Posted By: fish5133

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 17th Jan 2017 12:25am

Just put the hospital car park fees up !

Sounds a bit like Wirral Councils spending on the Golf Coast consultancy fees. Although in the NHS case its to see if they need to sack anybody whilst in the Golf Coast case its just to realise how bad an idea it was in the first place. (he says rather cynically). No I really do think we need 3 golf courses in Hoylake...one for the upper class, one for the middle class and one for the riff raffs.

Posted By: Gibbo

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 17th Jan 2017 10:07am

Do you actually play golf?
Posted By: fish5133

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 17th Jan 2017 4:45pm

Originally Posted by Gibbo
Do you actually play golf?


No, like the majority of Wirral residents.
Posted By: Excoriator

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 8:57am

There is only one thing worse than golf, and that is the people who play it.
Posted By: Excoriator

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 9:09am

I had an aunt who was a hospital matron in the 1940s to 1950s. She ran the place like a dictator. No committees, no consultants, she terrified everyone into obedience, reducing ward sisters and doctors to tears if they transgressed. I was her favourite nephew and she terrified me too. She invited - well ordered - me to her hospital once. When I got there, I asked to see her and was asked why by the nurse who'd seen me wandering in. I explained i was the matron's nephew, and her response was a hertfelt "Oh, you poor thing!"

She, my aunt, had been a nurse in WW1 and knew what infection could do, so absolute hygiene was her obsession. She would run her fingers over the tops of doors or cupboards and if there was a hint of dust, someone would suffer from a tongue lashing from her.

I often wonder what she would have made of the unholy horde of management consultants that infest hospitals these days.
Posted By: Gibbo

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 9:42am

Originally Posted by fish5133
Originally Posted by Gibbo
Do you actually play golf?


No, like the majority of Wirral residents.


Ah, that explains your ignorance then.

There's a reason there's so many golf courses on Merseyside, that's because they're some of the finest courses in the country.

Just because they're located on your doorstep doesn't mean that they're for locals only. I know plenty of people all across the North who travel to Wirral to play, because they think the courses are exceptional.

And that's why professional tournaments are held here, and bring in money:

Open golf tournament brought £76 million boost to Wirral and Merseyside economy, report says
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/open-golf-tournament-brought-76-8064972

The "majority of Wirral residents" don't use the ferries, or go to Tranmere Rovers. It doesn't mean they're not in demand.

Try taking off your NIMBY blinkers and see the bigger picture.
Posted By: granny

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 10:18am


Ha ! Isn't that a strange one ? I know a number of people from Wirral, who go to Chester and North Wales to play. Maybe this is the thing to do. Socialise in different areas so no one knows your social history ! Make new business contacts etc.

By the way £76m is only a figure put out by Press and PR dept. and it depends on how they calculate those figures. Most of it would have gone to Liverpool.
Posted By: fish5133

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 12:41pm

Hi Gibbo. One of the problems of internet forums is that words don't often convey the sarcasm perhaps intended.

I didn't mention the quality of golf courses or even denigrate the sport. Saturday mornings as a youth were spent playing the 9 holes at Arrow Park. Having hit the kiosk roof off the 9th tee probably made me realise it might not be my sport. Use to play at West Kirby till council sold it to Morrisons
Merely questioning the Wirral Councils risky expenditure on feasibility studies. Is it around £1 million pounds so far?
I work for council and when you've been called in twice to see if your jobs safe with the £132 million cuts then maybe you can understand why some people question it.
Council could have said to a developer we will give you planning permissions etc even though some is greenbelt as long as you do all the feasibility studies at your cost.





Posted By: CVCVCV

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 6:23pm

I've seen items go Off-Topic before but this takes some beating!
Posted By: venice

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 18th Jan 2017 9:48pm

Going back to the NHS and consultancies -- the irony is that the job could most likely be done in house but I expect the executive management have to call in consultancies , because producing the work in house would show that the management layers who could do it , were not already working to full capacity!! So, they get in consultants who dont necessarily have much expertise about how the system REALLY works (not the on paper version) , who go to middle and lower management to learn whats going on , and then package the in house information up in a more professional looking form, and sell it to the NHS at shedloads an hour. The costs for consultants were well over £500 a day even more than 10 years ago. Theyve always used consultants for all sorts at huge cost.
Posted By: Excoriator

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 19th Jan 2017 8:24am

Here's my consultancy report on the NHS, free of charge.

Too many bloody managers, too few workers.
Posted By: derekdwc

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 19th Jan 2017 10:26am

Does hiring a consultancy firm mean those at the top aren't doing the job they are being well paid for?.
I do think those that do the hiring of one of those can pick and choose one that may do a report that may report very little wrong with how the hirer does their job.
Firm believer that those that pay the piper pick the tune
Posted By: venice

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 19th Jan 2017 12:21pm

Think maybe the problem is more that they use consultancies because although I suspect that countrywide all executive levels know where their patch's weaknesses and strengths are , obviously no managements or MP's want to admit any of their hospitals may need to be changed in some way as it could mean job cuts etc. I expect your piper theory has some credence too derek .'Independent' Consultants can be ex NHS employees .
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 19th Jan 2017 2:50pm

Its also the blame-shifting, nobody within the organisation is prepared to stick their neck out.

All public bodies are the same, they are told to take risks and think outside the box, someone comes up with an idea but usually its only partly implemented and doomed to failure and then the blame game starts.

The ones with the teflon shoulders are those that have mastered the art of coming up with loads of words but nothing really changes, just different words and different paperwork.
Posted By: venice

Re: Secretive mega shake-up of NHS could cost £15 mil - 19th Jan 2017 5:44pm

[quote=diggingdeeper]

All public bodies are the same, they are told to take risks and think outside the box, someone comes up with an idea but usually its only partly implemented and doomed to failure and then the blame game starts.quote]

Thats it , isn't it Mr X at high level wants to impress so has to make SOME changes to get noticed -or appease the level above him . Most of these changes have been tried before, but staff and bosses leave, and its all
forgotten by everyone but 'sticker' staff who try hard to get message across that X's plan can't work. Impossible task , so new plan is forced into place at the cost of millions , and as you say DD , its doomed to fail. Total waste of money, over and over.

Then theres situations in public life where the bosses demand you MAKE it work by hook or by crook , to make the duff ideas work, and Ive heard that you can 'bend' employment figures for eg. very nicely by dividing staff into different catagories so they dont count in certain circumstances . All slight of hand and divisive , and no REAL savings or advantage. We really need to put more money in , we dont spend nearly as much as other comparable Euro countries - but we need to target better too, and stop all the shenanigans about setting impossible results just that look good and mean nothing.
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