Will this ever end? What is the solution?
People are going to get more and more paranoid and this will escalate further
I cannot see it ever ending. This world is totally fu**ing bolloxed

We've had the pantomime of politics now we're back to the horror stories. Woke up to this news , horrendous ! I agree with you Mikeeb the world is what you say. I don't know how we can stop these attacks . I feel for the French they seem to be getting hit all of the time. I hate it all find it so depressing. My thoughts are with all those families whose lives have been torn apart and r.i.p to the victims .

I hate that we give them titles.They are just murdering,cowardly b#stards. My view of a solution would be to close all borders and then rout out all the ones that are already in. Sorry if that offends anyone but I can't see what else could be done to safeguard innocent people here and abroad.

What's the UN doing about ISIS, terrorism and the mass movement of people fleeing war torn countries.
I can't see why the UN can't sit down and discuss raising a peace-keeping force from various countries including the Russians and Syria and set aside part of Syria to resettle the refugees and have an area where no weapons were allowed inside by individuals and have a no fly zone protected and enforced by the peacekeepers.
Money (and new money could be raised)now being spent now on various refugee camps and stopping the refugee movements could be used to build new homes jobs and infrastructure etc

This could release security forces to concentrate more on home grown terrorists without people worrying if we are importing terrorists hidden amongst the refugees.


sorry rant over

How many hits can a country take ? That is one big lorry and we surely have to wonder what it has been used for too. Smuggling ?

If most of these murderers are 'home grown' and are prepared to kill children , then I suggest that the only recourse is when their identity is known of those who commit these horrendous crimes, and their assistants, make it plain that families of those involved will be held to account.

If parents keep their children off school in this country, they can be fined or go to prison. Why can't the same apply to the families of those murderers.

Unfortunately , for those who already hold feelings of discrimination, this will play right into their hands.

The home grown terrorist is the hardest to defend against, they are not true religious idealists, religion is a part of it but they also have a hatred of the country they live in, if you look at some of the past atrocities some of those involved had a history of criminal activity,easy to convert, feel as if they have been badly done to by the kafir, I feel so sorry for the people of France for their loss, they seem to be getting the brunt of it.

Not advocating it , but the Israelies deal with their perceived Palestinian terrorists by not only punishing them , but by bulldozing the properties of their family. (And who did they copy that off? Us ! )

I have mixed feelings about punishing families. Yes it puts pressure (maybe) on the would be terrorists, but really each person should be held responsibility for their own actions . Im more in favour of much harsher frightening punishments for these murdering gits. (Not death -that holds no fear for them)

These people are not frightened of death, and any other punishment comes under the flag of Human Rights. Prison breeds more and there was a programme on radio yesterday about how we in this country are hoping to be able to make adjustment also to the way that terrorists are being held. They are recruiting from inside the walls and there are many prisoners who follow Islam, in our jails.

If these murderers thought that their children, nephews, nieces brothers sisters, mothers, fathers, were likely to suffer in any way, they would clearly think twice about their involvement. I believe that. At the moment , being dead is their best option. They instantly become Martyrs.

This is clearly a situation when 'talking' is not a viable option , as they don't talk ever, they now kill children !

The problem with the terrorists that carry out these acts know they will end up being killed anyway so what do we do to stop it before it happens?
It seems we cannot stop it all so it will just keep on happening again and again
We pat the authorities on the back when they prevent one happening but then blame them for not stopping the next one that happens
A vicious circle is happening and it seems to be getting worse
A different approach is needed here. We need a genius to come up with the answer because no one has got one at the moment

As bad as it sounds Granny I have to agree with you. They , these creatures must care and love their families so maybe just maybe it may make people think about hat they are doing, I don't know. As you say they are so indoctrinated with these evil thoughts and acts they certainly don't care about their own lives. Maybe we've got t be as evil as they and fight fire with fire. Oh it's such a horrible world at the moment, makes me so sad.

I disagree granny, some may love their families, but their so called 'love' of or 'call' from Allah is greater, so I dont believe it will stop them , and probably an awful lot have lost close ties with family years ago, once they started integrating themselves with likeminded ISIS type creatures - like extreme sects such as Moonies etc.

Wonder if Teresa will hasten to sort out the Human Rights laws .Have we finally passed the point where we can afford to remain 'civilized' ? I fear civilized wont cut it . We need more freedom to punish in different ways which could be allowable.True Muslims dont believe in violence so these people are not in that catagory in my opinion, so deserve no religious concessions or dignity. Im happy for the guilty imprisoned ones to have a just about reasonable temperature, basic mattress, dog hair filled pillow, no non prison clothes, no access to a prayer mat, no Koran, no food concessions whatsover , no facial or long hair allowed , no badger bristle shaving brush ( a porcine bristle will do ) , no TV or perks.No access to political newsprint. They can have an English Dictionary an encyclopaedia and a photo book of children with horrific facial and body injuries after terrorist attacks. SO upset with it all today for everyone involved --I may well be disgusted with my suggestions tomorrow when Ive calmed down, I dont know. Oh, I and I wouldnt feel obliged they needed to be buried facing East either if they died.

Ive already reconsidered , I dont think my way is the answer , not really - but we really are down to the wire as to know just how to go about it . What you said about closing the borders and routing them out appeals Dilly, except in this creatures case, it wouldnt have caught him because hes not an illegal or on the known terrorist radar.

The only way apart from killing them all is to unindoctrinate them--but how. Bribery like a council flat in Bradford and a Lexus isn't going to influence them.
The much criticised methods in the old testament history was to wipe out the entire nation men women and children (so called innocent with the guilty). But then your looking towards what Hitler tried to do.
Afraid it does look like we have to live with it, hope and pray we are not in the wrong place at the wrong time, and let security forces pick them off. We could start to feel vunerable because we cant have our own guns in this country---(not that I really want one)

If you did start hitting the families as hard as it may seem, maybe it wouldn't have any affect on today's monsters( I can't even call them remotely human) it may make the families work harder to make sure their kids don't get converted. It's a toughie I know. Think we need help from another planet to sort this sorry planet out.Not being flippant at all, it's such a mess.

Having listened to radio 4 a bit earlier, a gentleman from France was explaining that in many cases the Intelligence in France is not necessarily shared with others, particularly with Belgium. Now having been through all this and the threats that we won't be able to share Intelligence with EU if we leave, stands to be questioned.
However, he also said that the integration of Europe and the middle eastern countries is one way they are now infiltrating our societies and they are beginning to use the same methods in Europe e.g running a truck through crowds as they have done in the middle east for long enough.
This doesn't give any one confidence in the what is becoming a war on European soil.
No country has offered any sort of remedy other than now singing the praises of how the influx of migrants has reduced due to paying off Turkey and making a deal with them. What a pathetic ideology.
These so called IS militants are not of foreign birth in most cases , so far. They have been radicalised from a distance and maybe the only answer is to make an example in the first instance of extreme retribution . Words don't hit their ears. Germany will no doubt suffer the same consequences and every other European country form now on.
France is also very racist and their involvement in countries of African origin due to Colonialism is also part of the problem.

Saw an interview with MI6 a while ago and they reckoned they didnt benefit much from any Euro infor , but Europe benefited from ours as ours is much better. Of course he might be biased,I dont know , but generally our intelligence is considered as quite good apparently.

Maybe this will be something that will bring all the intelligence services up to scratch and cooperating to the max. Dont have to be in the EU for that to be done , and it would be lunacy for any country not to cooperate with another European country as shared knowledge for this helps us all.

A swift change in the anti terrorist laws would be a start, deportation for a sniff of terrorist involvement, I know they say they will fight abroad but at least we know where they are and are not a danger to women and children here, or in any other country, let them take their religious bile and hatred back to their homelands, how can we hope to win a war against terrorism when we pussyfoot around, illegal immigrants arrested and released and told to report to a police station later on because they (allegedly ) have no passport its farcical, whats wrong with hop into my van and we will return you to the last country you passed through, but no, so now we have untold numbers of foreign nationals roaming around with no ID and no traceable address who cannot or will not provide their country of origin.

Agreed casper, but what granny says about the homegrown ones that have a passport from the country they are already in rings true
Would it be right to pass the buck onto another country and dump them in the country of there parents and let them deal with

That would be burying our heads in the sand and the problem will still be there

I am not saying any of these ideas are wrong because I don't have a definitive answer, but is it actually solving this worldwide problem that we all share or brushing it under the carpet

To be able to deal with something effectively it has to be a targeted approach, these little groups or cells of terrorists are extremely difficult to infiltrate, and as much as people would like to deny it they have some limited support from their communities, families or in some cases mosques this may be as little as not reporting suspicious activities to the authorities but it is support, it does on face value seem unfair to pass the problem back to their country of origin, but is that not the place from where these acts of terrorism originate, Imprisonment is the worst thing we can do, Prison is a breeding ground, a place where they can indoctrinate others and plan other acts of murder and terrorism, I don't know what the answer is, but it is far easier to deal with all the rotten eggs in one basket in their own backyard.

Lost for words.
An everyday lorry turned into a killing machine. .

I seen some footage from the road afterwards and there were partners holding the hands of loved ones on there knees, whom were already dead or dying.

It looked like every 6ft or so another body, absolutely heartbreaking.

This won't be ending anytime soon if this can be the actions of a man and a machine.

Rest in peace those poor souls at the had of a evil man.

The paper's yesterday were very critical of Frances security arrangements or lack of regarding the monitoring of immigrants apparently they cannot hold records of origin, race, sexuality, religion, they have reported that there are disenfrachised immigrant districts close to where this atrocity happened that are hotbeds of crime and dominated by sharia law, the authorities have no record or idea of who lives there, this is a consequence of liberalism, the tail being allowed to wag the dog, appeasement to keep the peace, give an inch take a mile.

While looking at some of the YouTube about the Nice attack I clicked on this young guy talking about it. He was very right wing and whilst I didn't agree with a lot he said I found myself saying yes that's true. What he was saying was basically we all going along saying we've just got t live with all this and hoping it's not us or ours and pussyfooting about , arresting people but then letting them go even though they highly suspicious and we are all so scared of being called racists that we won't report anything in case it's wrong. Everything got to politically correct in case we upset someone that we are playing into their hands, and such attacks will continue. This is war, his words not mine . As I say I couldn't help but agree with a lot of what he said.

A classic case is the lad that died in police custody in Liverpool, the news reports state black teenager dies in police custody, to many this implies some sort of agenda or wrong doing, if it had been a white teenager dying under the same circumstances it would have read teenager dies in police custody.

To be fair casper a lot ofthe reports i listened to on radio merseyside never mentioned his colour. First i knew he was black was when i saw picture. I know what you mean ....more newsworthy